Paycheck Fairness Act

[EmilyKing]

(06-05-2012 11:44 AM)exOBCstudent Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 11:35 AM)EmilyKing Wrote:  I believe that if woman want equality, it should truly be equal. I don't even think there should be separate physical fitness requirements for genders joining the military. Allowing women to not live up to the same standard is not equal. If someone wants into a job, they should be required to perform to the same degree, regardless of gender. If one person has an output of 8 and the other outputs a 10, the person who outputs a 10 should be allowed to get a larger paycheck.

I think you're going to have issues with that though unless you change the PT events to more "neutral" events that would be just as difficult for either of the sexes. We just did an APFT this last weekend and I can assure you ALL of the females had MUCH difficulty cranking out a decent amount of pushups for their minimum which would be fairly easy for the males to attain.

You'd have to lower the male standard or raise the female standard which clearly gives males an advantage (most cases) either way. You're correct though in that the military standards aren't technically "equal".

I had the bright idea of becoming a PTL, meaning I take turns with other people running remedial PT for those who don't meet the standards. It makes me want to bang my head against a wall sometimes. I wouldn't mind the female standard being raised, even if it meant fewer females. Of course, some of the people who've been in the AF for many years came in under much different guidelines than are now required.

When I got SrA six months early, some of my peers said that it was because of my gender, even though I'd worked hard for it. At the same time, I can see why they'd say that, because I have seen females that think they are more 'entitled' and try to play their gender in their favor. Luckily, I'm in a maintenance squadron with very few women, so I don't have to deal with it as often as others.

[myotch]

I was raised by a single mom, a widow. The company she worked part time with hired her on full time, and really treated her and our family really, really well. But I also know she fought to get everything she got. Different time, I know, but some men in her office, perhaps even some of the customers, worked to get her fired, take her management position away and put her under male management.

She had to be a feminist in a day when feminism was preached against in the pulpit, and was somewhat regionally unpopular.

She did her job outstandingly well. She even took on responsibilities where she had a severe weakness - she was one of the first women to take computer classes in Atlanta - computers of the punchboard variety. Today, try to tell her the relationship between a mouse and a cursor and she gets so frustrated she just quits trying to understand it. But there she was, shoulder to shoulder with men, often face-to-face with misogynistic enemies.

I'm a big fan of equal-pay-for-equal-work, and I have little patience for those who think otherwise.

[Scorpio]

(06-05-2012 01:30 PM)myotch Wrote:  ....in a day when feminism was preached against in the pulpit.

It still is unfortunately.

[myotch]

When feminism was about suffrage, equal pay, etc., it was a good thing. After 1972, feminism may have still supported all those things, but became known for a militancy of a different flavor.

[Scorpio]

(06-05-2012 03:28 PM)myotch Wrote:  After 1972....

Since fundydumdumism is about 40 years behind the times, now is the perfect time to preach against anything that was relevant or happened in 1972.

[Persnickety Polecat]

(06-05-2012 03:28 PM)myotch Wrote:  When feminism was about suffrage, equal pay, etc., it was a good thing. After 1972, feminism may have still supported all those things, but became known for a militancy of a different flavor.

1. Feminists today fight against gendercide across the globe, but particularly in India and China.

2. They fight against child brides, child pornography, and RIC and FGM.

3. Feminists fight for full human rights and freedom from oppression for all people, regardless of nationality, ethnicity, class, religion, sex, or gender identity.

4. Feminists fight for freedom from domestic violence.

5. Feminists fight for full reproductive freedom.

I'm sure others can chime in and add to this list.

I'm proud to call myself a feminist and to be raising my sons with feminist ideals.

[myotch]

4 out of 5 worthy causes isn't bad...

[Naomi]

(06-05-2012 03:41 PM)Scorpio Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 03:28 PM)myotch Wrote:  After 1972....

Since fundydumdumism is about 40 years behind the times, now is the perfect time to preach against anything that was relevant or happened in 1972.

Exactly, right? It's 2012. Anyone who's talking feminism and hasn't even heard of the third wave and womanist critiques is sadly decades behind the times. Time to find out what it means today!

[Persnickety Polecat]

(06-05-2012 04:00 PM)myotch Wrote:  4 out of 5 worthy causes isn't bad...

You may not believe in access to abortions, but surely you believe women should have the right to birth however they want, right? Because they currently don't have that right, you know. My state does not allow women the right to birth at home, with access to a midwife. Women are also not generally able to access a VBAC if they want one. Some women have been legally forced into c-sections. Thousands of others have been coerced into them against their wills.

THAT is a feminist issue. THAT is a reproductive rights issue.

[myotch]

It was compliment, persnickety. I'm not against feminism or feminists, per se.

Where I can agree with the feminist movement, I will, and fervently so.

But, in regards to "reproductive rights", feminism has largely become a caricature. Midwives and c-sections aren't what come to mind when the issue of feminist reproductive rights is invoked. And I don't think that's anyone else's fault but theirs