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**Tiarali** · 04-12-2012, 10:37 AM

We're not gathered together anyway. We're not even on the same continent!

captain_solo · 04-12-2012, 10:39 AM

(04-12-2012 10:37 AM)tiarali Wrote: We're not gathered together anyway. We're not even on the same continent!

You are right, only those new-fangled libural "churches" have internet campuses

04-12-2012, 11:59 AM

(10-22-2011 07:10 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote: WHAT IS HYPER-CALVINISM?

EXAMINE THE DOCTRINE OF HYPER-CALVINISM

Those whom we call hyper-Calvinists usually outline their doctrinal position as represented by the letters TULIP:

T for Total Depravity of the sinner
U for Unconditional Election
L for Limited Atonement
I for Irresistible Grace
P for Perseverance of the saints

Rice was wrong about "hyper-Calvinism". He confuses hyper-Calvinism with a 5 point Calvinist. Hyper-Calvinism is a pejorative term referring to a denial of the free offer of the gospel and duty-faith. So was John R. Rice confused about hyper-Calvinism or was he misleading others?

I think he was trying to convince people how smart he was. He studied in a SBC seminary I believe, and at that time, Calvinists were anathema. SO he had a basic understanding of it, but he also had a big following among fundys and his pronouncements were gospel.

He had it wrong, obviously, but I don't think he was trying to mislead anyone directly.

**M Go Blue** · 04-16-2012, 11:15 AM

(04-11-2012 08:13 PM)pastorshane Wrote:
(10-24-2011 07:00 PM)greg Wrote: I am so glad today that our Sovereign God designed and implemented a plan whereby He sent His precious, one and only Son to die for the sins of every person upon planet Earth. "How shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation?" the scripture asks, the answer is, you won't!!

Jesus died for you, please don't neglect this great salvation, you can you know!!

First of all the quoted scripture you gave is from one of the new age perversions of the Bible. The Lord was and is not the "one and only son of God." He is the only begotten Son of God. this is not a trivial thing, for all the saints are God's sons. This is stated thru-out scripture and cannot be argued. I bring this up for an important reason. The reason is that those who have a wrong view of God's plan and His sovereignty also have a wrong view of the Saviour. He was begotten {sired} by the Holy Ghost, and this makes him the offspring of God's seed. So this means he was begotten, the rest of us are son's by election. I haven't the time to go any further right now but welcome any further discussion.

The scripture he references is, in fact, from the King James version, which I'm assuming isn't what you would consider a "new age perversion".

"How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; "(emphasis mine)- Hebrews 2:3

04-16-2012, 11:45 AM

(04-11-2012 08:13 PM)pastorshane Wrote:
(10-24-2011 07:00 PM)greg Wrote: I am so glad today that our Sovereign God designed and implemented a plan whereby He sent His precious, one and only Son to die for the sins of every person upon planet Earth. "How shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation?" the scripture asks, the answer is, you won't!!

Jesus died for you, please don't neglect this great salvation, you can you know!!

First of all the quoted scripture you gave is from one of the new age perversions of the Bible. The Lord was and is not the "one and only son of God." He is the only begotten Son of God. this is not a trivial thing, for all the saints are God's sons. This is stated thru-out scripture and cannot be argued. I bring this up for an important reason. The reason is that those who have a wrong view of God's plan and His sovereignty also have a wrong view of the Saviour. He was begotten {sired} by the Holy Ghost, and this makes him the offspring of God's seed. So this means he was begotten, the rest of us are son's by election. I haven't the time to go any further right now but welcome any further discussion.

Jesus was "Sired" by the Holy Ghost? What weird cult are you from?

captain_solo · 04-16-2012, 02:44 PM

(04-16-2012 11:45 AM)Bob M Wrote:
(04-11-2012 08:13 PM)pastorshane Wrote: First of all the quoted scripture you gave is from one of the new age perversions of the Bible. The Lord was and is not the "one and only son of God." He is the only begotten Son of God. this is not a trivial thing, for all the saints are God's sons. This is stated thru-out scripture and cannot be argued. I bring this up for an important reason. The reason is that those who have a wrong view of God's plan and His sovereignty also have a wrong view of the Saviour. He was begotten {sired} by the Holy Ghost, and this makes him the offspring of God's seed. So this means he was begotten, the rest of us are son's by election. I haven't the time to go any further right now but welcome any further discussion.

Jesus was "Sired" by the Holy Ghost? What weird cult are you from?

Jesus "sonship" is not a result of the virgin birth, its a result of the eternal generation of the Son whereby God "by necessity of nature, not by choice of will...generates the person (not the essence) of the Son, by communication to him the whole indivisible substance of the Godhead without division, alienation, or change, so that the Son is the express image of his Father's person, and eternally continues, not from the Father, but in the Father, and the Father in the Son" (A.A. Hodge)

God eternally "sons" the Son, because by nature he is the Son, and by implication God (the whole of the divine essence) - so Christ's origin is not from the Father, but in the Father. The idea that Christ's existence post-dates the Father's sounds more like something that would be taught by a Jehovah's witness than a Christian.