Can You Still Be Considered a Christian and Not be supportive of Israel?

[Smith]

What do you folks think? Can you still be considered a Christian and not be a supporter of Israel at the same time?

[exIFB]

Sure.

[mrmody]

Christian Zionism is relatively new belief system. Until the 1800s most Christian leaders believe the Jews either had to convert to Christianity or be killed. Martin Luther was anti-Semitic.
My question, why to so few American Christians give a damn about the plight of Palestinian Christians?

[Lizzy F.]

Yes.

I don't support Israel.

[Tony Mel]

The only Israel I support is the "Israel of God," which is the remnant of Jewish believers in the church.

The modern, secular state of Israel does not merit our support.

[exIFB]

Far out man... way to take a swipe at maybe 25% of this board by calling our beliefs a 19th century fable. You can disagree, but if you are going to be like that, go back to your fundy church.

[JimE]

This is tough to answer because who is doing the considering? If God is doing the considering, the answer is yes.
God disciplined Israel numerous times. The countries used by God to punish Israel were doing God's will. I consider my lack of unconditional support of Israel to be consistant with my Christian faith. The government of Israel receives no bias from me due to my faith. I am doing God's will for my life.

[Smith]

Don, you consider your inconsiderate remarks Ex-IFB's problem because *he* took your snarky remarks wrong? Why is it always the hearers fault? How about maning up and just confess what you said was inconsiderate? By the way, the following is a preemptive remark: "I'm sorry YOU took what I said the wrong way"

[Smith]

(02-09-2011 05:03 PM)JimE Wrote:  This is tough to answer because who is doing the considering? If God is doing the considering, the answer is yes.
God disciplined Israel numerous times. The countries used by God to punish Israel were doing God's will. I consider my lack of unconditional support of Israel to be consistant with my Christian faith. The government of Israel receives no bias from me due to my faith. I am doing God's will for my life.

Jim,
I didn't ask God, I asked those who use this board. Also, I have to point out that you are assuming that the Israel of today is the Israel of Abraham...it's not. As a matter of fact, God sorta bitch-slapped Israel in 70 A.D. and Israel's never recovered. As a matter of fact, if your unconditional support of Israel is consistent with your faith, you might do well to examine your faith...modern/political Israel pulled their present day land out from under the Palestinian's feet and are in the process of running perhaps the biggest ghetto on the planet...the Gaza Strip. Search Youtube...you will see Israelie tanks running over children, people being shot "just because" and the entire population being starved out of existence because the Israeli government believes the Palestinian population is "Moab". Is starving out other Christians consistent with your Christian faith? Kinda puts you and those like you in a conundrum: "obey" the Scriptures by "blessing" Israel while at the same time disobeying the Scritpure by not supporting a Palestinian Christian. What is it about Evangelicalism that is comfortable with cognitive dissonance? How can you support an atheistic country who's only interest in Fundamentalist/Evangelical Christians is that of an enabler? The only passage you can pull out of your bible is "I will bless those who bless thee and curse those who curse thee"....the problem is, "thee" is Abraham, not the bunch who migrated from Central Europe. Lastly, how do deal with splitting your worship between Israel/Jews and God? You may want to revisit Romans 4 for the proper definition of a Jew.

[Lizzy F.]

(02-09-2011 04:11 PM)Donb123 Wrote:  It is also posited, and I have no of knowing, that most of the "Jews" in Israel are more European than anything else which is why they appear more white than Middle Eastern.

There are lots of different types of Jews. Jews from western Europe and Jews from eastern Europe can tell each other apart, just like white people can tell the difference between an Irish Celt and a Mediterranean Greek. There are also black Jews from Ethiopia, Hispanic Jews from Latin America, and tons of other types from other places. Because of persecution, many have had to keep their identities secret so it's sometimes hard to know where large communities are.

So it's IMPOSSIBLE to make generalities about "Jewish" racial characteristics.

Also, color is one of the least reliable ways to discuss someone's race. These people have white skin but they aren't "white". They are black albinos: