Mitt Romney Skips Traditional Visit to Bob Jones University

[M Go Blue]

(01-15-2012 09:45 AM)greg Wrote:  Bob Jones University definitely has issues, but at least one thing they do have right, and that is Mormonism is absolutely a cult, and that is why I will not cast a vote for Romney.

While I don't think the LDS is a christian church, I don't view it as a cult. And while I hold such an opinion, it wouldn't stop me from voting for Romney if I thought he was the best-qualified candidate out there. We're not voting in the head of a church.

[captain_solo]

"a religion or religious sect generally thought to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader"


Greg, you were talking about BJU right?

[greg]

(01-16-2012 06:23 PM)myotch Wrote:  I think mormons have some things wrong, biblically wrong, like celestial marriage.

I think Luther and Calvin got some things wrong, and I'm sure some of you think Catholicism has some things wrong.

I have a respect for Mormons in the more Christian parts of their faith. They aren't physically or mentally destructive. They are "for" family, and they are incredibly patriotic. They lead clean lives. Their business dealings have a reputation of being impeccable. If it weren't for the prophets of that religion and some of their strange beliefs, I may have probably considered it at one time.

I don't mind calling them Christians. As for whether they are saved or not, that's above my pay grade.

Greg, would you go as far as saying no practicing mormon is saved?

Yep that's above my pay grade as well, but I will say that "if" any Mormons are saved it's in "spite" of their religion, not "because" of it.

I'm reminded that "God's ways are above our ways" but the teaching of the scriptures is very clear regarding the gospel.

"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy, I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough." 2 Corinthians 11:2-4

"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel - which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!" Galatians 1:6-9. The KJV says "let him be accursed"

The mormons do have a good reputation for honesty and family, we have friends that are mormons, and they are very good people, it pains me that they are involved in this cult, but of course we know that good morals don't earn us any "brownie points" or "girl scout " (couldn't resist) points with God, it is His precious Son's sacrifice that paves the way for any and all, for whosever will, it is this sacrifice that makes it possible for "all" men to be saved and this sacrifice alone.

[greg]

(01-17-2012 12:20 AM)tiarali Wrote:  

(01-16-2012 02:47 PM)greg Wrote:  Btw, you really need to read the forums, everyday folks are summing up the christian faith as bad as I described mormonism, even worse, they are lost, but there is hope for them, because they are seeking answers, why else are they on a quasi-christian site? Maybe you should ask yourself that question.

Wait - are you saying that everyone who disagrees with you is unsaved? And that you consider yourself a missionary here to convert us all?

Greg, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I don't think anybody comes here so that you can convince them to repent of their ways and be saved. And honestly, if I had concerns about my salvation, I would send a pm to Darrell or pastor's wife, or Don. You know, someone I respect. Someone who is capable of controlling themself, and even showing love. I would never, never talk to you about such a personal matter.

People come here to have relationship with people that they have had a shared experience with. They are seeking relationship, not conviction or rules. Love. You know that word? I've experienced it multiple times since coming here, yet never once from a post of yours. I don't understand why, really. You consider yourself a champion of Christ here on these Godless forums - yet Jesus is love, and I've NEVER seen a communication of love from one of your posts. Never.

Tiarali - Why don't you tell me how you really feel!

Do I feel like a missionary here at SFL? I hadn't really thought about it too much, but yes, I guess I do, I carry the gospel message wherever I go, for I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ for it it the power of God unto salvation to "all" that believe.

Disagreeing with me doesn't matter at all, disagreeing and not accepting God's plan of salvation is what matters. I must decrease but He (Jesus) must increase. Jesus said "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me" I am the very least of his servants, if I have gotten in the way of that message I am very sorry.

I'm delighted that you would seek out Darrell or PW if you had questions about salvation, I'm very sure that they would be able to help you and answer your questions.

[myotch]

If Mormons are saved despite their religion....Do you cut this distinction because you are saved by your religion?

I posit that if we are saved, any of us, we are saved despite our church affiliation.

You can know the Bible is the word of God because it's survived all the poor preaching through the centuries

[greg]

(01-17-2012 06:19 PM)myotch Wrote:  If Mormons are saved despite their religion....Do you cut this distinction because you are saved by your religion?

I posit that if we are saved, any of us, we are saved despite our church affiliation.

You can know the Bible is the word of God because it's survived all the poor preaching through the centuries

I am saved because after I was drawn by the Holy Spirit, and all men are drawn, I accepted/received the free gift of salvation that is offered to all men from a sovereign God. I did not have to accept or receive this gift, else it wouldn't be a gift. The bible clearly tells us that we can "neglect" or not accept this great gift of salvation, just as many in the desert would not look upon the serpent on the pole to be saved from the deadly snake bites and died there in the sand, many will refuse God's simple plan of salvation and die in their sins. How sad when the price had been paid for their salvation, their salvation there for the taking and yet they look away and "neglect" this wonderful gift.

[JordanMaria]

(01-17-2012 12:33 PM)greg Wrote:  Disagreeing with me doesn't matter at all, disagreeing and not accepting God's plan of salvation is what matters.

I think you need to learn how to love, be respectful to, and accept those who DON'T want to accept what you say is God's plan.

I also think there if a "lost" person was even remotely interested in God, he would watch how that professing Christian would ACT, not what spouts out of his mouth and in my opinion what comes out of your mouth isn't very nice.

If you want people to listen to you, you need to give the same respect and courtesy you expect from them.

You come across as really condescending. All I hear is "I love the lost but they're poor, stupid, crazy people." One of the first things you learn in nursing school is how to build trust with you patient, and do you know how you do that? You remain COMPLETELY unjudgemental. You are taught that it's NOT what you believe, or what you think, it's about THEM. This way, the patient can feel safe to trust you. They are more likely to listen and share things that might be important for their care.

I think you should learn something from nurses.

[greg]

(01-19-2012 02:51 PM)JordanMaria Wrote:  

(01-17-2012 12:33 PM)greg Wrote:  Disagreeing with me doesn't matter at all, disagreeing and not accepting God's plan of salvation is what matters.

I think you need to learn how to love, be respectful to, and accept those who DON'T want to accept what you say is God's plan.

I also think there if a "lost" person was even remotely interested in God, he would watch how that professing Christian would ACT, not what spouts out of his mouth and in my opinion what comes out of your mouth isn't very nice.

If you want people to listen to you, you need to give the same respect and courtesy you expect from them.

You come across as really condescending. All I hear is "I love the lost but they're poor, stupid, crazy people." One of the first things you learn in nursing school is how to build trust with you patient, and do you know how you do that? You remain COMPLETELY unjudgemental. You are taught that it's NOT what you believe, or what you think, it's about THEM. This way, the patient can feel safe to trust you. They are more likely to listen and share things that might be important for their care.

I think you should learn something from nurses.

I think you have some very good ideas here, and I think it would be wonderful for you to take some of your very own advice.

I have said over and over in the forums..... it's not what I say, think or believe that matters, it only matters "what thus saith the Lord." If I "say" something contrary to the Word of God, by all means jump right in and let me know where I'm wrong. It appears right now that you simply don't like my methods/bedside manner, but I've not heard a single word here that the message was wrong. Pls don't kill the messenger!!

You appear to be coming across as very condescending to me and intolerant and not very respectful at all of my opinions.

[just_a_thinker]

(01-19-2012 04:57 PM)greg Wrote:  

(01-19-2012 02:51 PM)JordanMaria Wrote:  I think you need to learn how to love, be respectful to, and accept those who DON'T want to accept what you say is God's plan.

I also think there if a "lost" person was even remotely interested in God, he would watch how that professing Christian would ACT, not what spouts out of his mouth and in my opinion what comes out of your mouth isn't very nice.

If you want people to listen to you, you need to give the same respect and courtesy you expect from them.

You come across as really condescending. All I hear is "I love the lost but they're poor, stupid, crazy people." One of the first things you learn in nursing school is how to build trust with you patient, and do you know how you do that? You remain COMPLETELY unjudgemental. You are taught that it's NOT what you believe, or what you think, it's about THEM. This way, the patient can feel safe to trust you. They are more likely to listen and share things that might be important for their care.

I think you should learn something from nurses.

I think you have some very good ideas here, and I think it would be wonderful for you to take some of your very own advice.

I have said over and over in the forums..... it's not what I say, think or believe that matters, it only matters "what thus saith the Lord." If I "say" something contrary to the Word of God, by all means jump right in and let me know where I'm wrong. It appears right now that you simply don't like my methods/bedside manner, but I've not heard a single word here that the message was wrong. Pls don't kill the messenger!!

You appear to be coming across as very condescending to me and intolerant and not very respectful at all of my opinions.

Really Greg? Really?

People constantly try to point out where YOUR INTERPRETATION of the bible is wrong. And you are too stubborn to ever consider their evidence. So when someone else comes along and points out how your "methods/bedside manner" are incredibly demeaning, condescending, and unkind, your only response is "don't kill the messenger". That makes it hard for me to take you seriously. That's every "MOG's" favorite response after preaching an hour long sermon that takes the bible out of context just so that it lines up with their personal prejudices and pet issues.

And please, can you finally realize that just because you personally believe in something doesn't make it automatically something that "the Lord thus sayeth"? Is there really no room for error on your part? Are you truly so in line with God's will that you are practically the 4th part of the trinity? The problem is not that people just disagree with "Thus sayeth the Lord" nearly as much as the arrogance of you thinking that every opinion and interpretation that comes out of your mouth is apparently God breathed!

You remind me of Ba'al's prophets on mount Carmel(?) when they are so frantically trying to protect the face of their God when it's obvious that they were their own god. If your God is so powerful and his word a 2-edged sword why does he need you to be his "voice in the wilderness" of SFL? You obviously have put yourself up on a pedestal from which you can't come down. You don't listen to other people's opinions or evidence to see what they have to say, or if it has merit. You listen to (or read in this case) them just waiting to pounce on everything YOU think they are wrong on, because you are the "All-knowing, all-powerful Greg of SFL -Poised and ready to tear people apart and tell them they're going to burn in hell, that they are wrong, that they need to repent so that they can be more like Greg, because if they disagree with Greg's INTERPRETATION of an issue they are at odds with God himself."

Ok. I'm done. Sorry.
I've had a bad day.
You just happened to be the last straw.

[greg]

Justathinker - I hear you loud and clear, I wish to goodness you could hear me the same way.

You are very adamant, in fact maybe more adamant about your opinion than I am of mine, can't you see that?

All of these people you say that are trying to straighten me out and that I'm supposedly not paying attention to, are the same ol ones, just a few, and we generally argue about the same stuff, mostly calvinism and homosexuality, the calvinists, I think enjoy the exchanges as much as I do! Some have pm'd me and said as much, and I think most of us would get along famously, were we to meet face to face, just as my very good calvinists friends here in my town.

God forbid I disagree with justathinker's interpretation of the scripture, because you come sailing in to straighten me out, I need to align myself more with justathinker because you are apparently God's right hand man on planet Earth....................this last paragraph is sarcasm, but I'm hoping you will see how "circular" your reasoning is.

Why is your opinion more legitimate than mine?