Mitt Romney Skips Traditional Visit to Bob Jones University

[bean]

Greg, why do you feel they are a "cult?" Are they Christians?

Are Seventh Day Adventists "a cult?

How do you define a cult?

This piece in the Washington Post says a lot.
http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfait...tians.html

I also go back to the constitution. What does Article Six of the US Constitution say?
"but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

I am not a Romney fan, but it's because of his ideas and policies that would continue to benefit the 1% while screwing over the working man. His mormon faith has nothing to do with it.

[greg]

(01-15-2012 09:50 AM)tiarali Wrote:  I think that voting for someone who has similar religious beliefs to yourself rather than the person who would do the best job is lazy voting.

I'm assuming this response was directed at me. What I would like to know is, based on my statement, why would you jump to the conclusion that I would only vote for a person that has similar religious beliefs to mine, how do you arrive at that conclusion?

It's one thing to vote for someone who has a different religious affiliation than mine, or no religious affiliation at all, but for me to vote for a wild and wacky religous cultish nutjob, who believes he is going to be given his own planet, and have spiritual children, who's founder was spoken to and given tablets with "Egyptian looking" writing by an angel alongside a creek in PA, I'm just gonna have to pass.

Hope that's ok with you.

[greg]

(01-15-2012 05:31 PM)bean Wrote:  Greg, why do you feel they are a "cult?" Are they Christians?

Are Seventh Day Adventists "a cult?

How do you define a cult?

This piece in the Washington Post says a lot.
http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfait...tians.html

I also go back to the constitution. What does Article Six of the US Constitution say?
"but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

I am not a Romney fan, but it's because of his ideas and policies that would continue to benefit the 1% while screwing over the working man. His mormon faith has nothing to do with it.

A cult is "a religion or religious sect generally thought to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader" (American Heritage Dictionary)

Mormons are absolutely "not" christians. My standard statement to the "missionaries" that knock on my door is "Do you believe in the bible" their answer is always an enthusiastic yes Sir, I respond with, fine, then give me that other book "book of mormon" and I'll throw it away for you, because if you believe in the bible, the bible completely condemns the book of mormon and your entire belief system, in fact the bible says your faith is "accursed." They don't usually hang around long after that!

Not sure why you asked about 7th Day Adventists, but my answer would be, they are knocking on the door but aren't quite there yet. (I could probably vote for a decent 7th Day Adventist) But you didn't ask about the truly nutty ones and they are the Jehovah's Witnesses, these folks are just pitiful, and extremely uneducated.

I completely disagree with your "canned" "John Stewart" type assessment of Romney and his policies, I would vote for Romney were it not for his cult status.

I'm glad article 6 is in the constitution, but that doesn't apply to me, just a citizen voter. Btw, just spoke to my brothers about this and my opinon about Romney, but they think he's better than Obama and will vote for him. I must admit I had to do some thinking about this, but I'm stubborn, and if he is what the process gives us, I will not vote for him, just as I will never vote for anyone that believies in killing boys and girls in utero.

Mormon missionary to farmer. We would like to talk to you for a few minutes. Well yes indeed come on inside, it's mighty hot out would you fellas like a nice cold glass of iced tea? Why sure the missionaries responded. Farmer comes back with two, tall glasses of tea and hands them to his visitors, and takes a seat beside them on the couch. Well the farmer says what would you fellas like to talk about? The missionaries looked at each other, "I don't know we never got this far before."

[just_a_thinker]

(01-15-2012 09:45 AM)greg Wrote:  Bob Jones University definitely has issues, but at least one thing they do have right, and that is Mormonism is absolutely a cult, and that is why I will not cast a vote for Romney.

Greg, even by the definition you give for cults later in the thread, BJU qualifies as much more of a cult than Mormonism.

Quote:It's one thing to vote for someone who has a different religious affiliation than mine, or no religious affiliation at all, but for me to vote for a wild and wacky religous cultish nutjob, who believes he is going to be given his own planet, and have spiritual children, who's founder was spoken to and given tablets with "Egyptian looking" writing by an angel alongside a creek in PA, I'm just gonna have to pass.

I won't even go into the extreme lack of respect you show for mormons here, or the similarities between some of their beliefs and yours. I'll only say that if someone were to sum up your faith and beliefs in the same tone that you do here, that you would be all over it spouting claims of intolerance and maybe even blasphemy. Please try to show some respect to those with whom you disagree.

[greg]

(01-16-2012 02:15 PM)just_a_thinker Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 09:45 AM)greg Wrote:  Bob Jones University definitely has issues, but at least one thing they do have right, and that is Mormonism is absolutely a cult, and that is why I will not cast a vote for Romney.

Greg, even by the definition you give for cults later in the thread, BJU qualifies as much more of a cult than Mormonism.

Quote:It's one thing to vote for someone who has a different religious affiliation than mine, or no religious affiliation at all, but for me to vote for a wild and wacky religous cultish nutjob, who believes he is going to be given his own planet, and have spiritual children, who's founder was spoken to and given tablets with "Egyptian looking" writing by an angel alongside a creek in PA, I'm just gonna have to pass.

I won't even go into the extreme lack of respect you show for mormons here, or the similarities between some of their beliefs and yours. I'll only say that if someone were to sum up your faith and beliefs in the same tone that you do here, that you would be all over it spouting claims of intolerance and maybe even blasphemy. Please try to show some respect to those with whom you disagree.

I'm not sure how one could "nicely" point out craziness in someone's belief system. It would have to be someone other than me.

As for me I serve a living Saviour! He conquered death and the grave and is ALIVE, the claims of Chrisiainity are true. Where is the grave of Jesus? where are His remains? He fulfilled thousands of prophecies!! Did you/the world just celebrate Christmas? Thousands and thousands of lives He has changed, mine included! Are all of us crazy? No, we serve a living Saviour! It's not just good news, honey, it's great news! If Jesus isn't true, could you please tell me who is this "living" in me?

Btw, you really need to read the forums, everyday folks are summing up the christian faith as bad as I described mormonism, even worse, they are lost, but there is hope for them, because they are seeking answers, why else are they on a quasi-christian site? Maybe you should ask yourself that question.

Christ died for the sins of everyone, the whole world, everyone may come to Him for salvation, the price has been paid, He invites "all" to come to Him, for whosoever will. The good news or the "gospel" is the power of God for "everyone" who believes.

[FmrMarine]

(01-16-2012 02:47 PM)greg Wrote:  

(01-16-2012 02:15 PM)just_a_thinker Wrote:  Greg, even by the definition you give for cults later in the thread, BJU qualifies as much more of a cult than Mormonism.


I won't even go into the extreme lack of respect you show for mormons here, or the similarities between some of their beliefs and yours. I'll only say that if someone were to sum up your faith and beliefs in the same tone that you do here, that you would be all over it spouting claims of intolerance and maybe even blasphemy. Please try to show some respect to those with whom you disagree.

I'm not sure how one could "nicely" point out craziness in someone's belief system. It would have to be someone other than me.

As for me I serve a living Saviour! He conquered death and the grave and is ALIVE, the claims of Chrisiainity are true. Where is the grave of Jesus? where are His remains? He fulfilled thousands of prophecies!! Did you/the world just celebrate Christmas? Thousands and thousands of lives He has changed, mine included! Are all of us crazy? No, we serve a living Saviour! It's not just good news, honey, it's great news! If Jesus isn't true, could you please tell me who is this "living" in me?

Btw, you really need to read the forums, everyday folks are summing up the christian faith as bad as I described mormonism, even worse, they are lost, but there is hope for them, because they are seeking answers, why else are they on a quasi-christian site? Maybe you should ask yourself that question.

Christ died for the sins of everyone, the whole world, everyone may come to Him for salvation, the price has been paid, He invites "all" to come to Him, for whosoever will. The good news or the "gospel" is the power of God for "everyone" who believes.

Oh, come one now Greg. The Mormons aren't delusional. They just believe in a book where people lived to be hundreds of years old and animals could talk. They have the Book of Mormon too.

[myotch]

I think mormons have some things wrong, biblically wrong, like celestial marriage.

I think Luther and Calvin got some things wrong, and I'm sure some of you think Catholicism has some things wrong.

I have a respect for Mormons in the more Christian parts of their faith. They aren't physically or mentally destructive. They are "for" family, and they are incredibly patriotic. They lead clean lives. Their business dealings have a reputation of being impeccable. If it weren't for the prophets of that religion and some of their strange beliefs, I may have probably considered it at one time.

I don't mind calling them Christians. As for whether they are saved or not, that's above my pay grade.

Greg, would you go as far as saying no practicing mormon is saved?

[Tiarali]

(01-16-2012 02:47 PM)greg Wrote:  Btw, you really need to read the forums, everyday folks are summing up the christian faith as bad as I described mormonism, even worse, they are lost, but there is hope for them, because they are seeking answers, why else are they on a quasi-christian site? Maybe you should ask yourself that question.

Wait - are you saying that everyone who disagrees with you is unsaved? And that you consider yourself a missionary here to convert us all?

Greg, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I don't think anybody comes here so that you can convince them to repent of their ways and be saved. And honestly, if I had concerns about my salvation, I would send a pm to Darrell or pastor's wife, or Don. You know, someone I respect. Someone who is capable of controlling themself, and even showing love. I would never, never talk to you about such a personal matter.

People come here to have relationship with people that they have had a shared experience with. They are seeking relationship, not conviction or rules. Love. You know that word? I've experienced it multiple times since coming here, yet never once from a post of yours. I don't understand why, really. You consider yourself a champion of Christ here on these Godless forums - yet Jesus is love, and I've NEVER seen a communication of love from one of your posts. Never.

[Tiarali]

(01-16-2012 12:05 PM)greg Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 09:50 AM)tiarali Wrote:  I think that voting for someone who has similar religious beliefs to yourself rather than the person who would do the best job is lazy voting.

I'm assuming this response was directed at me. What I would like to know is, based on my statement, why would you jump to the conclusion that I would only vote for a person that has similar religious beliefs to mine, how do you arrive at that conclusion?

It's one thing to vote for someone who has a different religious affiliation than mine, or no religious affiliation at all, but for me to vote for a wild and wacky religous cultish nutjob, who believes he is going to be given his own planet, and have spiritual children, who's founder was spoken to and given tablets with "Egyptian looking" writing by an angel alongside a creek in PA, I'm just gonna have to pass.

Hope that's ok with you.

None of the issues you mentioned have anything to do with how well he would act in office. And you could get a person who has the same beliefs as you and who is completely incapable of running the country. I wish you would care enough about your country to actually think about who would do the job best.

And I've read plenty of times where people have said that wacky religious cultish nutjobs who believe in a literal six-day creation should not be allowed to vote.

I guess you think they've got a point?

[M Go Blue]

(01-13-2012 07:07 PM)Darrell Wrote:  Which leads me to wonder: has Bob Jones really stopped calling Mormonism a cult? Or is that just bad reporting?

I would imagine unless something really crazy has happened, BJ hasn't changed its view. I can't see them thinking the LDS church has suddenly become a Christian church or anything as, to my knowledge, the LDS church hasn't changed its beliefs.