What do you do with aborted fetuses?

[Zadig]

(07-07-2012 07:37 PM)myotch Wrote:  Whats the matter. Can't address what I've said directly?

You're running out of comebacks. Take a break.

[myotch]

I tire of you.

[Darrell]

Me too. You're banned again. Enjoy.

[leaving]

(07-07-2012 07:42 PM)Darrell Wrote:  Me too. You're banned again. Enjoy.

Is he banned for good this time? Please say it is so! Ha.

[Scorpio]

I can't believe I missed all this! It's what I get for golfing all day.

[Don]

george told me that even he would not have been able to extract that one. The vapor lock was so tight that it had basically created a vacuum and to break the seal would have caused an explosion. He said such cases are rare, permanent and sad.

[Scorpio]

(07-08-2012 09:18 AM)Don Wrote:  ...caused an explosion.

Don't you mean an assplosion?

[squiz]

(07-07-2012 06:17 PM)Zadig Wrote:  God you fundies crack me up. It's all black and white with you guys. Just because they have to consider the cost of operating doesn't mean earning a profit is the primary motivation for the care. Using your logic, every missionary your church supports must be in it for the money since they spend so much time raising it.

You shouldn't call people fundies on this forum Zadig. Try something with less baggage, like "literalist Christians".

[myotch]

Calling a christian a "fundy" just because he or she opposes abortion is to not really know what a fundy is.

[squiz]

(07-06-2012 02:35 PM)Darrell Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 02:16 PM)Zadig Wrote:  What is your definition of conservatism Darrell?

Here's a quote from the man himself:

"The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is." RONALD REAGAN, Reason Magazine, Jul. 1, 1975

Put more broadly conservatives tend to favor free enterprise, strong national defense, smaller government, and personal freedom.

How those broad categories play out in individual beliefs has quite a bit of variation. There are conservatives who favor gun control. There are conservatives who are pro-choice. The are conservatives who are very green. It's worth noting that there are quite a few Republicans who are anything but conservative. The specific issues do not define the movement nearly as much as the guiding principals do.

These values do seem to define the Conservative movement in the US at the moment, but it is sometimes worth taking a step back and looking at the original meaning of the words to get a feel for the nuances that they still convey. Conservativism really has to do with resisting change. It's direct opposite would be radicalism, which tries to bring about rapid change. Such ideas as "Free enterprise, smaller government and personal freedom" are ideas that truly belong to Classical Liberalism (John Locke, Adam Smith etc). Historically conservatives tried to resist these modern (classical-) liberal ideas. That such principals are now considered conservative in the US, is one of those accidents of history that perhaps do make America exceptional.

Words change their meaning with time. But some old meanings never go fully away and should be respected. (This is probably why we see the truly conservative addition of national defence to that list). While a modern conservative might subscribe to most of these principals, a true conservative is suspicious of the radical idealism of those who try to decide all questions based on how they fit into a rigid ideological system.

Although I have always tended more towards wanting change than resisting it, I must say that the more I learn about the system that we live in, the more I realise that it is much more complex than any of us can fully understand. Therefore (in my old age) I am starting to realise the wisdom of being conservative when introducing change. This includes some so-called "conservative" changes.[/i]

Anyway, I don't know why I bit on this one, especially since it has nothing to do with the OP.