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***Darrell*** · 07-07-2012, 06:21 PM

Quote:God you fundies crack me up.

Not nearly as much as you crack everybody else up when you try to paint us as "fundies."

**myotch** · 07-07-2012, 06:22 PM

I'm no fundy, so don't put me in that camp. I am pro-life.

The primary motivation for the care they provide goes exactly towards solvency - the resources to operate, the money to pay executives well, the marketing of their services.

Abortion clinics exist outside Planned Parenthood, as well. For profit.

~~Zadig~~ · 07-07-2012, 06:27 PM

You guys are way more fundamentalist in your thinking than you realize.

Using your batshit crazy logic that a fee charged for a service proves that an individual is performing that service solely because of the potential earnings, pediatricians are totally motivated by profit, therefore it's in their best interests that children are sick as often as possible. Is that what you believe?

***Darrell*** · (This post was last modified: 07-07-2012 06:38 PM by Darrell.)

Quote:You guys are way more fundamentalist in your thinking than you realize.

Phhhhhht. Apparently you think "fundy" is some kind of shorthand for "doesn't agree with me." Which is actually...pretty fundy. So right back atcha there!

Quote: pediatricians are totally motivated by profit, therefore it's in their best interests that children are sick as often as possible. Is that what you believe?

So on the one hand you talk about how expensive healthcare is. On the other you claim that pediatricians aren't in the business for profit?

There are two ways to make a good profit. Either you can have low profit margins and have high volume or you can have high profit margins and have low volume.

You've already demonstrated that Planned Parenthood doesn't charge extravagant prices for its abortion services in comparison to the average ER visit. So IF (and I'm not the one claiming this is true, fwiw) PP and organizations like it are profit-driven then the only way they could make lots of money would be to make up for their low costs by increasing volume as much as possible.

Again, I'm not saying that's the case but you can't effectively prove that it is NOT so by the line of reasoning you're taking right now.

~~Zadig~~ · 07-07-2012, 06:50 PM

(07-07-2012 06:36 PM)Darrell Wrote: Phhhhhht. Apparently you think "fundy" is some kind of shorthand for "doesn't agree with me." Which is actually...pretty fundy. So right back atcha there!

There you go with those stupid assumptions again.

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So on the one hand you talk about how expensive healthcare is. On the other you claim that pediatricians aren't in the business for profit?

So you believe that what motivates a pediatrician is profit? Really?

***Darrell*** · 07-07-2012, 06:54 PM

Quote:So you believe that what motivates a pediatrician is profit? Really?

You think they all go to medical school, do residency, and run up huge student loans because they're just great humanitarians with no interest at all in money? Really?

(Did I mention I work in a hospital? I have conversations with medical students in my office every week. And I can tell you that money is definitely a motivating factor among those boys and girls.)

~~Zadig~~ · 07-07-2012, 07:00 PM

There's that black and white thinking causing you trouble again. Typical fundy. Just because they expect to get paid doesn't mean money is the motivation for care. Using your logic it would never make sense for a doctor to perform an abortion because he could make a lot more money allowing the birth to go to term. It would never make sense for a doctor to heal a patient because he could make more money off of perpetual care. Fortunately not everyone sees the world in the dichotomous way that you do.

***Darrell*** · 07-07-2012, 07:06 PM

(07-07-2012 07:00 PM)Zadig Wrote: There's that black and white thinking causing you trouble again. Typical fundy. Just because they expect to get paid doesn't mean money is the motivation for care. Using your logic it would never make sense for a doctor to perform an abortion because he could make a lot more money allowing the birth to go to term. It would never make sense for a doctor to heal a patient because he could make more money off of perpetual care. Fortunately not everyone sees the world in the dichotomous way that you do.

Whenever I catch you in an obvious error you go back to throwing around pejoratives and trying to change the terms of the conversation.

It has ceased being cute.

Quote:"Just because they expect to get paid doesn't mean money is the motivation for care. "

No, the fact that I've heard them say the words "Without the better pay of the medical field I'd probably do something else" is my reason to believe that is their motivation. And by the way, the guy saying those words was concerned about the likelihood of single-payer medical system that would reduce what he could charge to see patients.

So yeah. Profit motive. It's a thing. Those doctors aren't driving Honda Civics.

**myotch** · (This post was last modified: 07-07-2012 07:13 PM by myotch.)

Abortion is a service people are willing to pay for and politicians are willing to subsidize. It's a simple matter of economics that *some doctors* will necessarily decide to perform abortions.

Generally, these doctors aren't the types who agonized over a decision over specializing in abortion and being a cardiac specialist.

~~Zadig~~ · (This post was last modified: 07-07-2012 07:11 PM by Zadig.)

(07-07-2012 07:06 PM)Darrell Wrote: Whenever I catch you in an obvious error you go back to throwing around pejoratives and trying to change the terms of the conversation.
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And you do that right from the start. And you have yet to catch me making errors.

Quote: No, the fact that I've heard them say the words "Without the better pay of the medical field I'd probably do something else" is my reason to believe that is their motivation.

Just because they expect to be paid for their work does not mean they diagnose based on profit motive. If you think they do, that says a lot more about your character than any doctor I've ever known.