What's the big deal with IFB and the blood of Christ?

[TruthSeeker]

What's the big deal with IFB and the blood of Christ?
I attended an IFB for 6 years and the pastor would preached about the blood of Christ. At that time i didn't understand why he would attack other Bible believing churches about not being "strong" about the blood.

The IFB pastor would use an example about the modern hymn books and how they have removed the "blood" out the hymn books. I remember one time approaching the pastor and asking him his opinion on Dallas Theological Seminary. He responded by saying that they do believe in the fundamentals of the faith but they were also "weak" about the local church(which i now understand to mean baptist sucessionism) and also about the "blood".

It's only recently that I found out that one of the differences between a fundamentalist and a conservative evangelical is that most IFB churches believe in a mystical blood of Christ.

D.A. Waite, Jack Hyles and other fundamentalist leaders also believe that the blood of Christ was taken up to heaven to be poured out to the heavenly mercy seat. That the blood of Christ is divine and not human. All the shed blood of Christ at the cross was taken up to heaven. I believe they use a couple of texts in Hebrews chapters 9 and 12 to support this teaching. So because many outside the IFB disagree with them, these IFB preachers would consider John MacArthur and many others as "heretics".


My question is who started this mystical teaching about the blood of Christ in IFB churches? Did John R. Rice and J. Frank Norris taught this as well? Is this a distinctive in IFB churches?

[greg]

(06-27-2012 06:20 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote:  What's the big deal with IFB and the blood of Christ?
I attended an IFB for 6 years and the pastor would preached about the blood of Christ. At that time i didn't understand why he would attack other Bible believing churches about not being "strong" about the blood.

The IFB pastor would use an example about the modern hymn books and how they have removed the "blood" out the hymn books. I remember one time approaching the pastor and asking him his opinion on Dallas Theological Seminary. He responded by saying that they do believe in the fundamentals of the faith but they were also "weak" about the local church(which i now understand to mean baptist sucessionism) and also about the "blood".

It's only recently that I found out that one of the differences between a fundamentalist and a conservative evangelical is that most IFB churches believe in a mystical blood of Christ.

D.A. Waite, Jack Hyles and other fundamentalist leaders also believe that the blood of Christ was taken up to heaven to be poured out to the heavenly mercy seat. That the blood of Christ is divine and not human. All the shed blood of Christ at the cross was taken up to heaven. I believe they use a couple of texts in Hebrews chapters 9 and 12 to support this teaching. So because many outside the IFB disagree with them, these IFB preachers would consider John MacArthur and many others as "heretics".


My question is who started this mystical teaching about the blood of Christ in IFB churches? Did John R. Rice and J. Frank Norris taught this as well? Is this a distinctive in IFB churches?

I could have sworn there was another comment here talking about MacArthur and Thieme, and how they teach that it was the Lord's dying and not the blood that was of importance, which is simply more false teaching from these two. But anyway, the blood is critical. "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission for sins" Hebrews 9:22

We are redeemed by the blood. 1 Peter 1:18-20

We are reconciled to God through the blood. Colossians 1:20-22

Peace was made by Jesus through the blood of His cross. Colossians 1:16, 19-20

[greg]

I just re-read your comment, and see that it was you who mentioned MacArthur, but I don't see Thieme, anyway he's another cock-eyed wanna be, who teaches falsely on the blood of Jesus. Now you may say Greg don't get personal, well, when falsehoods are taught about the blood I tend to get excited/upset.

[TruthSeeker]

I don't MacArthur denies the blood, he believes that the blood refers to his sacrificial death which involves blood shedding. We also preach the message of the "cross". No not the piece of wood but His sacrificial death.

Do you also believe that Jesus took His blood back to heaven to be applied at the heavenly mercy seat?

[greg]

(06-27-2012 07:25 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote:  I don't MacArthur denies the blood, he believes that the blood refers to his sacrificial death which involves blood shedding. We also preach the message of the "cross". No not the piece of wood but His sacrificial death.

Do you also believe that Jesus took His blood back to heaven to be applied at the heavenly mercy seat?

If Jesus' blood is not in Heaven, then our faith is in vain. My beliefs or what I "think" don't matter whatsoever. Jesus' blood is in Heaven because He says so!

"By His own blood He entered in once into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Hebrews 9:12..........Jesus blood is sinless blood. That's the only blood that could be taken into the Holy Place! If Jesus' blood was only human blood it would have been contaminated by Adam's sin and would not be sinless. "How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of Grace? Hebrews 10:29

There is so much more on this but I haven't studied it in awhile, but rest assured the blood of Jesus is definitely in heaven. Have a look at Revelation 12:11 "They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb" This is the same "Lamb" that was slain before the foundation of the world, wow this is good stuff, glad you brought this up! The "Blood" better be in Heaven, because it is this blood of how we defeat Satan and his filthy bunch.

Yes the blood is in Heaven!! and I thank God for it.

[TruthSeeker]

Notice the first word of Hebrews 9:12 says "by" and not "with", that makes a big difference. In other words, it was "by" His blood or by His sacricial death that He entered the holy place. Remember that Jesus is both the sacrifice and the high priest.

What was the purpose of taking His blood to heaven? Wasn't redemption accomplished at the cross or was it 40 days later at His ascension? Do you believe that His blood is being preserved in heaven in some type of bowl or vial? Are the souls in heaven literally being applied with His blood?

[Malchus' Ear]

Fun follow-up question to get Fundies thinking: If it was His blood, and not His death (blood and all) that saved us, then when Jesus got cut or injured (ie His circumcision), did that take care of sin then? (I write in jest.)

--
The Ear

[TruthSeeker]

To be fair they do say it's both the blood and His death.

[briceman]

Blood, and shedding of blood simply represent death. It is also a spiritual reality of a physical picture that the Jewish readers would have been familiar with in their sacrificial system. All of the bible should not be taken so rigidly literal.

[greg]

(06-28-2012 03:02 PM)briceman Wrote:  Blood, and shedding of blood simply represent death. It is also a spiritual reality of a physical picture that the Jewish readers would have been familiar with in their sacrificial system. All of the bible should not be taken so rigidly literal.

I was redeemed by the blood! Blood and shedding of blood certainly do at times represent death but 1 Peter 1:18-19 says;

"For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect."......note carefully - perishable things such as silver or gold contrasted with imperishable things like the blood of Jesus........from this verse alone, and there are hundreds of others, I am assured that the "blood" of Jesus is imperishable..............I take that very literally.