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FmrMarine · 06-26-2012, 05:36 PM

(06-26-2012 05:27 PM)oneflewoutofthecuckcoosnest Wrote:
(06-26-2012 03:58 PM)FmrMarine Wrote: If you would kindly point out where I have ever called anyone a name, I would appreciate it. You'll have an awfully hard time though. I would definitely consider myself a seeker of truth and while I or anyone else may not have discovered it yet, that does not mean we can't say with certainty what is not true.

How about calling Christians delusional? I wouldn't call an atheist delusional because it is generally considered insulting.

It is not an insult. It fits the definition. The claims of the bible are demonstrably false. Holding a belief in the face of invalidating evidence is delusion. It's not my definition.

06-26-2012, 05:37 PM

(06-26-2012 05:36 PM)FmrMarine Wrote:
(06-26-2012 05:27 PM)oneflewoutofthecuckcoosnest Wrote: How about calling Christians delusional? I wouldn't call an atheist delusional because it is generally considered insulting.

It is not an insult. It fits the definition. The claims of the bible are demonstrably false. Holding a belief in the face of invalidating evidence is delusion. It's not my definition.

False. The claims of the Bible are not demonstrably false.

Every word of God is pure.

oneflewoutofthecuckcoosnest · 06-26-2012, 05:44 PM

(06-26-2012 05:36 PM)FmrMarine Wrote:
(06-26-2012 05:27 PM)oneflewoutofthecuckcoosnest Wrote: How about calling Christians delusional? I wouldn't call an atheist delusional because it is generally considered insulting.

It is not an insult. It fits the definition. The claims of the bible are demonstrably false. Holding a belief in the face of invalidating evidence is delusion. It's not my definition.

Are you using a psychiatric definition of deluional? If so, you better read DSM-IV and get a little more info. Psychiatirc delusions are pathological and generally indicate mental illness. Unless you are saying that all Christians throughout history have suffered from pathological delusion.

Do you believe I am delusional?

~~Zadig~~ · 06-26-2012, 05:51 PM

(06-26-2012 05:37 PM)Bob M Wrote: Every word of God is pure.

What would you call someone who quotes the words of men but says it's the word of God?

fundyvangelicalcatholic · 06-26-2012, 05:54 PM

(06-26-2012 04:08 PM)FmrMarine Wrote:
(06-26-2012 03:43 PM)fundyvangelicalcatholic Wrote: So your mission is to open our eyes so we realize how delusional we are? Our delusion may cause us to walk into supermarkets with C4 and roofing nails strapped to our chest? Sorry, the Muslim extremist board is the next one over -Yeesh!

Your opinion on medical treatment is that those who disagree with you (especially based on our delusional faith) are against treatment that could benefit thousands of people. What you fail to mention is that I disagree that this treatment be brought about by murder. Is it right to murder in order to obtain samples that could benefit thousands? What does this even have to do with religion? You could argue this based solely on how you want to operate as a society and what value you place on human life.

Again, what do you plan to gain by questioning our faith? It is exactly that - faith. While you may take the leap that we are all delusional - that is fine. To take the next step that our faith will lead to mass murder and lack of medical research is as delusional as you feel we are!

I would submit to you that an extremist carrying out a terrorist act has everything to do with religion to the extremist. And while your faith may not lead to mass murder, the same can not be said for all faiths. And yes, many people oppose valuable things like stem cell research which could have tremendous benefits based on faith. Many people oppose things like contraception which is truly needed in many parts of the world based on faith. These are situations where belief in a god is harmful to society as a whole.

Belief in God and terrorism are two completely different things. Yikes!

Is there violence in the name of religion - yes. There is also violence in the name of country. As a former marine you can attest to that. While not all patriotism leads to mass murder, the same cannot be said for other people's patriotism. Therefore, patriots are delusional. These are situations where patriotism is harmful to society as a whole. Wow, this blanket principle stuff really works.

Babies must die in order to receive stem cells for which to use in the research. I noticed you just blew right past the murder since that doesn't fit your neat definition "in the name of religion" and is a deeper moral issue based on the how society treats the dignity of human life. Dignity of human life and how we treat others within society transcends religion.

~~Zadig~~ · 06-26-2012, 07:06 PM

(06-26-2012 05:54 PM)fundyvangelicalcatholic Wrote: Babies must die in order to receive stem cells for which to use in the research.

Umm...no.

Ricardo · 06-26-2012, 10:08 PM

(06-26-2012 05:51 PM)Zadig Wrote:
(06-26-2012 05:37 PM)Bob M Wrote: Every word of God is pure.

What would you call someone who quotes the words of men but says it's the word of God?

You would have to call them Fundamentalist. (Maybe no longer IFB, but definitely still Fundamentalist of a sort.

There are plenty of Christians who do not believe that "EVERY WORD" of God is pure. (Especially since we don't have consensus about which words to chose and which not.)

fundyvangelicalcatholic · 06-27-2012, 05:51 AM

(06-26-2012 07:06 PM)Zadig Wrote:
(06-26-2012 05:54 PM)fundyvangelicalcatholic Wrote: Babies must die in order to receive stem cells for which to use in the research.

Umm...no.

Umm...yes. That is the part of the research Christians are opposed to. In cases of adult stem cells, amniotic stem cells and induced pluripotent stem cells you will see no argument from the Christian community since those do involve the creation, treatment and destruction of human embryos.

fundyvangelicalcatholic · 06-27-2012, 05:58 AM

(06-26-2012 05:51 PM)Zadig Wrote:
(06-26-2012 05:37 PM)Bob M Wrote: Every word of God is pure.

What would you call someone who quotes the words of men but says it's the word of God?

Why would you discount a person's personal faith that Bible is the Word of God? There have been millions of followers of Christ who have indeed believed the Bible.

It is a difficult thing to denounce "someone who quotes the words of men but says it's the word of God". This Jesus person who communicated via man made transcribed text still impacts society today. While your simple questions fain philosophical discussion, it comes off as more "I'm the smartest guy in the room and you all are delusional idiots". Nice try though.

FmrMarine · 06-27-2012, 08:20 AM

(06-27-2012 05:58 AM)fundyvangelicalcatholic Wrote:
(06-26-2012 05:51 PM)Zadig Wrote: What would you call someone who quotes the words of men but says it's the word of God?

Why would you discount a person's personal faith that Bible is the Word of God? There have been millions of followers of Christ who have indeed believed the Bible.

It is a difficult thing to denounce "someone who quotes the words of men but says it's the word of God". This Jesus person who communicated via man made transcribed text still impacts society today. While your simple questions fain philosophical discussion, it comes off as more "I'm the smartest guy in the room and you all are delusional idiots". Nice try though.

The contradictions in the bible are numerous and well documented. We can get in to it, but it would take a lot of time and typing. We can demonstrate that prayer does not work and is ineffective despite what it says in the bible, we can demonstrate that the bible contains a lot of unscientific nonsense.