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Ron Paul - GraceThruFaith - 01-13-2012 05:25 PM
The dark horse of the GOP campaign is now no longer the dark horse. He was denied media coverage, treated as invisible, yet his supporters are pulling him through. Love him or hate him, he is the most respected GOP candidate who isn't a corporate sell out or who is influenced by lobbyists.
If Ron Paul doesn't win the GOP, I am writing him in for my vote.
RE: Ron Paul - greg - 01-13-2012 06:14 PM
Ron Paul is the scariest candidate for president I have ever seen, I'm 53, I would rather see Obama win another term than for Ron Paul to win, and this from someone that detests Obama the president and what he has done to this country, the man Obama seems like a pretty good guy.
RE: Ron Paul - RobMille - 01-13-2012 06:43 PM
You'll be writing him in, cause that dude isn't gonna come close to getting the nomination.
RE: Ron Paul - Darrell - 01-14-2012 10:55 AM
RE: Ron Paul - RobMille - 01-14-2012 11:15 AM
I like that version a lot more!
RE: Ron Paul - Donb123 - 01-14-2012 11:31 AM
That was mildly amusing.
RP is the only candidate to talk about intentional currency inflation.
RP is the only person to talk about making serious inroads into the profligate debt-based spending.
RP predicted the housing bubble and subsequent crash based on governmental policy with regard to Fannie/Freddy.
RP is the only one who is consistently for following the Constitution, paying as you go, and liberty.
Some people don't really understand economics, monetary policy, the wording of the Constitution, etc, and use disparaging terms like "loon" and stuff like that. They've never actually heard someone on the national stage who didn't pander to them. They're used to people promising them someone else' money or someone bashing teh gayz.
EVERY single other presidential candidate right now has a record that proves EVERY single one of them is a liar. Whatever they are saying now is clearly contradicted from things they said and did mere months ago. Our national collective event recall must be about 2 days.
If you think it's okay for the Federal Reserve to inflate the money supply and thereby devalue your money; if you think it's okay to tell your neighbor what he/she can do in bed or what they can smoke; if you think it's okay to steal from your neighbor because he's "rich." If you think it's okay for corporations to buy every single major politician except Ron Paul and you still think you're part of the "99%" when you just got played- then perhaps it's time to take the red pill.
Right now independents all majority RP. 18-34 year olds are majority RP. Military majority RP.
Banks/Unions/Investment firms/Military/Industrial Complex own your candidate and you know that's wrong and you hate it but somebody told you once that RP might've said something that maybe wasn't good- or somebody said he was crazy. You're thinking it'll be okay to vote for someone who changed all their positions overnight right before running just to vote for Not Obama. Or you're thinking Obama is clearly the abject failure that everyone says he is but "at least he's not an eeeeeevil Republican."
Funny. People love freedom. People love liberty. People love America and the Constitution that made America great but when they finally get a candidate who stands for these things they don't know what to do. How about quit voting for the same thing expecting different results? You think the country is on the right track? Do you think every single candidate wanting to restrict your liberty will magically change once elected? What about this huge $16 trillion debt hole we're in. Do you think the two parties who continue to vote for drunken-sailor style spending are going to magically stop even they we're heading for Greece-style problems? Why? Why is your candidate any different? There's not one credible bit of evidence for you to believe your candidate is different because they all have a record that proves it untrue.
Even if for some reason you hate RP, and I can't fathom that but okay, your candidate is a liar. Everything else America has tried has gotten us into multiple parallel wars, no jobs, debt for eternity, so why not try something different? You easily bought into the notion of "hope" and voted for someone based on sound bytes and the "change" has only gotten worse. Why not vote on someone who actually speaks with intelligence about freedom and money?
RE: Ron Paul - RobMille - 01-14-2012 11:43 AM
If Ron Paul were worried about inflation on any level he wouldn't be making Gold Standard part of his campaign. You can't base monetary supply of dynamic economies on finite supply which grows at a pretty fixed rate until it's tapped without creating inflation problems that outpace whatever inflation he's griping about by a pretty large factor.
RE: Ron Paul - Donb123 - 01-14-2012 01:50 PM
(01-14-2012 11:43 AM)RobMille Wrote: If Ron Paul were worried about inflation on any level he wouldn't be making Gold Standard part of his campaign. You can't base monetary supply of dynamic economies on finite supply which grows at a pretty fixed rate until it's tapped without creating inflation problems that outpace whatever inflation he's griping about by a pretty large factor.
There are very few areas where I disagree with Ron but gold standard is one of them. Gold, as a means of currency, is almost as arbitrary as fiat paper so I can't see it as being an answer per se.
What I do see as good and right about what he's saying is the massive currency inflation we've experienced over time, and in particular the last 3-4 years. When currency inflation is slow it causes price inflation which causes wage inflation. Wage inflation usually trails so it's not a good thing, but at least there's some catch-up at the end of the cycle. The problem with our current currency inflation bonanza is we haven't had an economic recovery to speak of. If and when we do we're screwed. You can't just inflate currency supply by 200-400% and expect nothing bad to happen.
So perhaps his proposal for gold isn't THE solution but it as A solution. This is still a real topic nobody else is willing to touch. Happily some of the OWS types have caught on to what Ron's been talking about all these years and we have a growing discontent with the Federal Reserve.
The Federal Reserve is comprised of unelected, appointed individuals who control the value of currency adjust lending rates, tweaking the economy as they see fit, and reaping the rewards of the interest rates they charge- for themselves! The Fed is a private institution and has never been audited.
RE: Ron Paul - Donb123 - 01-14-2012 01:53 PM
Just in case it happens, you heard it here first. A group of SC establishment republicans are on FB talking about dressing up as Klansman and other racist groups and going to Ron Paul rallies.
If it doesn't happen then it's just wild-eyed nonsense. I have no way of knowing. It's just disenheartening to see people focus on sidebars and not address the issues that candidates are talking about. And it's not just Ron. Gingrich is a particularly good speaker. He raises issues that need to be addressed. I think he's too unreliable and flip-floppy and progressive to be anyone I can support but the focus needs to be on what his policy positions are- not how many wives he's had.
RE: Ron Paul - Recovering - 01-14-2012 07:35 PM
I have lots of issues with Ron Paul, but I thought this article was really good. Basically, the author notes that Paul is the only candidate talking about a whole host of issues (as Donb123) pointed out, and that regardless our agreement with him on all of those issues, we can be glad that at least they're being discussed. There's a whole host of issues that don't even come up during election time because the two parties have basically agreed on them.