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RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - Donb123 - 12-20-2011 12:20 PM
(12-20-2011 12:06 PM)Ricardo Wrote: Paranoia. It doesn't mean it isn't true.
I can show you ten paved roads that go between Canada and Maine that are not supervised.
The police find, every now and then, brand new warehouses, (used probably only once,) next to a dock, in one of the many inlets Down East in Maine.
Securing our borders is a monumental task.
It has nothing to do with paranoia and everything to do with documented intel. Because it's a monumental task doesn't mean it's not worth the effort. It has been a monumental effort to bomb the planet and establish Pax Americana (such that it is) so I'd think that pulling all those troops home to guard the borders would be pretty effective. Then people wouldn't have any room to complain, and the complainers would be far fewer most likely, if we knew who was coming in and why. As has been mentioned before, I believe that most people are quite thrilled to see successful immigrants living the American Dream. Only racists make everything to be about race.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - lucrezaborgia - 12-20-2011 12:34 PM
(12-20-2011 12:06 PM)Ricardo Wrote: Securing our borders is a monumental task.
Our government, understandably, has determined that it makes more sense to hike up our intelligence on suspected terrorists, rather than try to really SEAL our borders. I would tend to agree. Frankly, I do not believe it is possible to seal our borders.
http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1010/101014newyorkcity.htm
We can't even seal our airports!!!
"between 2000 and 2009, Victor Bourne, a Barbadian national, was the leader of a drug trafficking organization (the "Bourne Organization") that relied on corrupt employees of commercial airlines, including American Airlines, at domestic and international ports of entry to smuggle drugs into the United States and throughout the Caribbean. As part of its criminal activity, the Bourne Organization allegedly arranged for cocaine to be stowed aboard American Airlines flights leaving the Caribbean for John F. Kennedy International Airport.
The organization then paid dispatching crew chiefs at American Airlines, including Miguel Bozza, to assign crews of baggage handlers, who were also paid by the Bourne Organization, to retrieve the cocaine upon arrival. As part of the government's investigation, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers seized multiple shipments of cocaine from American Airlines passenger flights."
Now...for those not in the know, JFK is the 6th busiest airport in the nation in relation to cargo and passengers. JFK is also near NYC. 9/11 was in 2001 so even with the heightened security measures, this crime ring went on completely undetected.
Could there be terrorists using the southern border to get it? Sure! At the same time, there are multitudes of ways to enter the country. You can take a speedboat from the Bahamas and be in the US in a few hours. How many harbors here are watched? But...the Coast Guard does!
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2002-10-30/news/0210300008_1_coast-guard-cutter-haitians-immigrants
Granted the Coast Guard did catch them...but not until after the boat was already in quite a ways into the bay and the only way to get where they were is to sail past the Coast Guard station at Government Cut. Of course, they were all sent back. We only allow Cubans to stay if they make it to shore. *head desk*
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - lucrezaborgia - 12-20-2011 12:38 PM
(12-20-2011 12:20 PM)Donb123 Wrote: It has nothing to do with paranoia and everything to do with documented intel. Because it's a monumental task doesn't mean it's not worth the effort. It has been a monumental effort to bomb the planet and establish Pax Americana (such that it is) so I'd think that pulling all those troops home to guard the borders would be pretty effective.
What about corporations interested in seeing their companies put up and staff the borders? With the push to privatize everything do you really think that the military would be running this operation? Also, are these reports from the same geniuses who decided to sell guns to the cartels?
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - C_Fresh - 12-20-2011 12:41 PM
Airport security is more about appearances and catching dumb/unlucky criminals. I knew there were flaws in the system but I didn't realize how easily airport security could be defeated until I wrote my undergrad paper on passenger screening. I'm not saying its a waste of time but its foolish to think that it can stop someone who takes the time to learn the weaknesses and exploit them.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - Donb123 - 12-20-2011 12:50 PM
(12-20-2011 12:38 PM)lucrezaborgia Wrote: What about corporations interested in seeing their companies put up and staff the borders? With the push to privatize everything do you really think that the military would be running this operation?
If the military wasn't occupying the world they'd need something else to do. So I dunno...
Quote:Also, are these reports from the same geniuses who decided to sell guns to the cartels?
No. That was Eric Traitor Holder.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - Donb123 - 01-09-2012 08:31 PM
This illustrates what some folks were trying to say about not objecting to immigration- just wanting to vet those who came in- nothing more and nothing less.
http://www.alipac.us/content/28-Cartel-violence-is-here-Teen-tortured-beheaded-in-Oklahoma%E2%80%A6press-silent
http://www.alipac.us/content/29-Man-Accused-In-Baby-Death-Had-Been-Recently-Deported
I'm not saying anything about race. I'm not saying anything about legal immigration, brown skin, opportunity, cheap labor, evil corporations or anything like that. In fact, I never did. Appealing to backwater racists who fear differences is not at all the same thing and failing to recognize the honest difference is mere denial that problems exist.
Maybe screening and proper legal immigration would not have prevented this. I don't know. I think we need to try. The stories are horrific.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - Ricardo - 01-09-2012 10:42 PM
Donb123, Gangs are most definitely bad news. Be it the Crips or the Bloods, the Hells Angels or the MS-13.
What I object to in the web-page you pointed us to is the underlying assumption that being here illegally has ANYTHING to do with criminal behavior.
Take a look at the first comment from the second link you gave us:
Quote:"While the illegal alien invasion supporters constantly claim there is no significant crime threat from illegal aliens, our archives here at ALIPAC prove differently.
Sure, Americans commit crimes but illegal aliens are people that
1. Have trouble recognizing or caring about BOUNDARIES including the boundaries involving sex with children from the numerous child assaults we have documented.
2. illegal aliens show a pattern of criminality before escalating to higher crimes.
3. Illegal aliens have multi million dollar groups like NCLR, SPLC, and ADL standing ready to protect them from justice and attack any person or group that would stand up on behalf of the American victims. Illegal aliens are shown by illegal alien supporters here in the US that their crimes will be supported and censored from the main stream media."
We are talking of fifteen million illegal aliens, all ages, races, both male and female. Most of them have not had one single problem with the law. (Other than being illegal.) We are talking mothers, pre-school children, children in elementary, middle and high school, families with grandparents, parents and children, A solid percentage of which actually go to their fundamentalist churches three and four nights a week in addition to two services on Sunday.
Dragging out any/all stories of criminal behaviors by illegal aliens and trying to smear the whole fifteen million is low. I love how they keep mentioning that the mainstream media is in on the conspiracy. Do they mean Fox news? The New York Times or Wall Street Journal? Rush Limbaugh or Steven Colbert?
Point #3 is beyond the pale. It is asolutely false that "NCLR, SPLC, and ADL standing ready to protect them from justice and attack any person or group that would stand up on behalf of the American victims."
I defend free speech for all, but frankly, that web page frightens me.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - Ricardo - 01-09-2012 10:55 PM
By the way, the cheapest and easiest way to stop illegal immigration is to set up a Zero tolerance policy with employers.
Zero tolerance for families who hire nannies and housecleaners. zero tolerance for people who hire day laboreres picked up at the parking lot of Home Depot. Zero tolerance for landscapers and construction firms. Zero tolerance for farmers who pay slave wages to the Mexicans they hire to pick the fruit.
If there is no more work, you will have no more illegal aliens. Because a vast majority come here to work. They work hard. They work two shifts. They work the back-breaking jobs nobody wants. (So much easier to paint them as criminals, who dismember white American girls...)
Of course we know that neither party will actually follow through on any of the promises regarding immigration. There are too many interest$$ involved.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - Donb123 - 01-09-2012 10:59 PM
(01-09-2012 10:42 PM)Ricardo Wrote: I defend free speech for all, but frankly, that web page frightens me.
Yeah I don't care so much for the tone of the sight. It was something I found following links on FB. The point of some bad people sneaking through was all I was going with.
You make a great point on employers. If they couldn't hire cheap under-the-table laborers and everyone fail to pay taxes then there wouldn't be a demand.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - Ricardo - 01-09-2012 11:32 PM
And by the way, I'm serious when I mention the percentage of church-going illegal aliens. Especially the Pentecostal Churches have done a great job of preaching the Gospel under really hard conditions, being threatened by abusive employers for spending 10 minutes of people's lunch breaks preaching to them. I would estimate a solid 10%, possibly 15% of the Hispanic illegal alien community is either Pentecostal or Adventists.
Last year, here in Maine we had the case of Selvin Arevalo, a teenager who was caught when he was involved in a minor traffic accident. Leader of his church youth group, member of the Praise Team, all around nice guy. (I know him personally.) It is a travesty to keep him jailed for months while his case goes through the legal motions. (He is finally out on bail, after almost six months in jail.) http://www.weareamericastories.org/written/selvin-arevalo/