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RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - Donb123 - 12-19-2011 11:00 PM
(12-19-2011 10:34 PM)Ricardo Wrote: So you say the problem you want to solve is preventing people from crossing the border illegally.
All the things you stated are real problems. American foreign policy is abysmal. No doubt some of our policies have created the very conditions that caused people to flee over the border.
But you completely ignore the fact of Al Queda and other groups operating in Central America and coming into the US.
Quote:Have you or any of the Republican candidates really tallied the pros and cons of deporting fifteen million aliens? Alabama is finding out the hard way what it means to get rid of their illegal aliens: The crops are rotting in the fields, The office cleaning companies can't find enough people at the wages they used to pay. Restaurants cannot find dishwashers, busboys and kitchen help, hotel maids, it goes on and on.
Funny that you say that but this just in today-
Alabama's unemployment rate fell at a record pace in November. Link here
Quote:Why is this so high in the Republican agenda? Those of us who are Hispanic, and legally in this country, pay a price everyday in dirty looks, harrassment in little and not so little ways. The worst part is most Hispanics would be Republicans if given half a chance.
And people in foreign countries that cannot get here legally because there is no incentive to open legal immigration when you've got 15 million illegals to consider. Did you ever think about anyone else other than hispanics? Why does this have to be ethnic? Race has nothing to do with it. What about the Philipinos that wait at the Embassy every single day trying to get here?
Quote:Take a look at the demographics. If you want to play the ethnic/racial card, go right ahead. but the chickens will come home to roost. Right now the fifty largest cities in the USA have twenty to thirty percent Hispanic populations. And we are growing.
Actually you're the only one bringing up racial statistics. Why does this have to be about race for you? Why should anyone give a rats behind about who entered the country as long as they entered legally? I sure as heck wouldn't. I could care less. I'm just worried about whichever dude is going to bring over the nuclear or EMP suitcase bomb.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - RobMille - 12-19-2011 11:45 PM
I'll concede the "problem" of terrorists amassing in Latin America is being ignored if you'll do some basic fact checking on that claim. The only link anyone can credibly find is some kind of music piracy operation. I'm shivering.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - Donb123 - 12-19-2011 11:53 PM
(12-19-2011 11:45 PM)RobMille Wrote: I'll concede the "problem" of terrorists amassing in Latin America is being ignored if you'll do some basic fact checking on that claim. The only link anyone can credibly find is some kind of music piracy operation. I'm shivering.
The U.S. Southern Command, with operational responsibility for Latin America and the Caribbean, defined the threat as follows:
The stability and prosperity of the SOUTHCOM AOR [Area of Responsibility] are threatened by transnational terrorism, narco-terrorism, illicit trafficking, forgery and money laundering, kidnapping, urban gangs, radical movements, natural disasters and mass migration…
We have detected a number of Islamic Radical Group facilitators that continue to participate in fundraising and logistical support activities such as money laundering, document forgery, and illicit trafficking. Proceeds from these activities are supporting worldwide terrorist activities. Not only do these activities serve to support Islamic terrorist groups in the Middle East, these same activities performed by other groups make up the greater criminal network so prominent in the AOR. Illicit activities, facilitated by the AOR's permissive environment, are the backbone for criminal entities like urban gangs, narco-terrorists, Islamic terrorists, and worldwide organized crime.
That took all of 1 minute. There's countless more. All of the links i looked through that aren't just whack-job sites reference various government organizations to substantiate their claims.
But seriously, you have a porous border with 15 million people able to "sneak" through and you have people who, for various reasons, literally hate America and you think this might be far-fetched? C'mon.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - RobMille - 12-19-2011 11:59 PM
It's not only not true, it doesn't even make sense. You can get into the US pretty easily if you're a well funded terrorists. Sneaking across the border would be far less effective than buying a plane ticket from Yemen even.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - Donb123 - 12-20-2011 12:03 AM
(12-19-2011 11:59 PM)RobMille Wrote: It's not only not true, it doesn't even make sense. You can get into the US pretty easily if you're a well funded terrorists. Sneaking across the border would be far less effective than buying a plane ticket from Yemen even.
Not only is it not true because you say so? Yeah.. that's a risk worth taking then. Open the gates boys!
Personally I'd prefer we err on the side of caution and assume that everyone coming in needs to be checked. We already search people to the extreme in airports- American citizens usually. I'd also assume that it's easier to sneak in stuff that might be suspicious or set off detection devices across a border rather than through a port or an airport. What's your factcheckio.whatever say about setting off devices and the transportation of EMP, bombs, or nuclear devices?
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - Donb123 - 12-20-2011 12:13 AM
And furthermore the the Congressional Research Service's Mark P. Sullivan put out this paper US Embassy paper
Venezuela cooperating with Iran and Hezbollah.
Hezbollah and Islamic Resistance Movement in and around Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay.
The Department of Homeland Security has warned Texas law enforcement agencies that a renowned Al Qaeda terrorist is planning to sneak into the U.S. through Mexico, illustrating that Middle Eastern extremists continue to exploit the porous southern border in their quest to harm Americans.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - greg - 12-20-2011 10:52 AM
Forget it Don, you're wasting your time. If you had photos of terrorists dragging nuclear weapons across our southern border, they would say the photos were doctored.
My (3) years of naval intelligence in Europe tells me the threat is real.
Two oft repeated phrases come to mind and they are both so applicable, I will wade right in:
There is none so blind that will not see!.....and
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - C_Fresh - 12-20-2011 10:59 AM
On the issue of Americans not being willing to do menial jobs like fruit picking...
What if you could work a job like that and not have it count against you for unemployment benefits? The unemployed could suppliment their check and it would provide temporary workers needed for harvests.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - greg - 12-20-2011 11:04 AM
(12-20-2011 10:59 AM)C_Fresh Wrote: On the issue of Americans not being willing to do menial jobs like fruit picking...
Thinking outside the box, I like it.
Of course I'm one of those crazy people that want all criminal, illegal alien invaders gone yesterday, however, were that to happen, I think you would see that the farmers would be forced to pay better wages and those crops would get picked.
RE: Michelle Bachmann/Illegal Aliens - Ricardo - 12-20-2011 12:06 PM
Paranoia. It doesn't mean it isn't true.
I can show you ten paved roads that go between Canada and Maine that are not supervised.
The police find, every now and then, brand new warehouses, (used probably only once,) next to a dock, in one of the many inlets Down East in Maine.
Securing our borders is a monumental task.
Our government, understandably, has determined that it makes more sense to hike up our intelligence on suspected terrorists, rather than try to really SEAL our borders. I would tend to agree. Frankly, I do not believe it is possible to seal our borders.
Remember Mohamed Atta? We are dealing with smart, educated people. Engineers, Doctors, Lawyers. There are thousands of ways to get into this country. Trekking through the Sonoran desert has to be among the most cumbersome options.
Why smuggle in a bomb when the parts can be found here? Remember 9/11? They used the planes themselves as weapons. All this talk about building a wall to keep out terrorists reminds me of the Sigfried line.
So let's get back to the reasons to deport fifteen million persons.
I think of Cesar Millan, the Dog Wisperer, who swam accross the Rio Grande.