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RE: Fundybook - exOBCstudent - 04-04-2012 09:11 AM
(04-04-2012 09:05 AM)tiarali Wrote: Which verse shows that the new testament church met on Wednesday nights?I think they must still be looking that one up.
RE: Fundybook - co_heir - 04-04-2012 08:54 PM
(04-04-2012 08:59 AM)Perry Wrote: "Today is Wednesday, the day for mid-week service. Will you be in your place? The Bible gives us a command, not much of an option, to be faithful to the house of God. Be in your place tonight as the Pastor continues his series on the home. See you there."
I'm always in my place on Wednesday (and every other day). My place is where i happen to be.
RE: Fundybook - Elijah Craig - 04-04-2012 09:28 PM
(04-02-2012 08:46 AM)Lady Julian Wrote: This article, "Women Aren't Fish and Men Aren't Bicycles", popped up on my FB feed this morning. A close family member posted it, so I didn't bother responding on FB. I did respond on the original site (my comment appears to still be in moderation).
I've discovered that one of my berserk buttons is the treatment of women in the evangelical church. I self-identify as a feminist, and as someone who is unmarried and not dating, I am all for women learning to support themselves and stand on their own two feet.
So articles like these, well-meant as I know they are, feel like nails on a chalkboard. *shudder
I had a bad feeling when I saw it was Girls Gone Wise but as far as Mary Kassian's articles go, this one was fairly harmless. I don't think she was saying anything like you seem to think she did.
RE: Fundybook - Lady Julian - 04-04-2012 10:20 PM
(04-04-2012 09:28 PM)Elijah Craig Wrote:(04-02-2012 08:46 AM)Lady Julian Wrote: This article, "Women Aren't Fish and Men Aren't Bicycles", popped up on my FB feed this morning. A close family member posted it, so I didn't bother responding on FB. I did respond on the original site (my comment appears to still be in moderation).
I've discovered that one of my berserk buttons is the treatment of women in the evangelical church. I self-identify as a feminist, and as someone who is unmarried and not dating, I am all for women learning to support themselves and stand on their own two feet.
So articles like these, well-meant as I know they are, feel like nails on a chalkboard. *shudder
I had a bad feeling when I saw it was Girls Gone Wise but as far as Mary Kassian's articles go, this one was fairly harmless. I don't think she was saying anything like you seem to think she did.
You and I just aren't going to see eye-to-eye on this issue, are we? Last time I posted something about the church's treatment of femininity, you disagreed with that too. *sigh
Perhaps this difference is simply because you are a man, and I am a woman. I wouldn't expect your "berserk button" or "trigger" to be the treatment of women; this affects me personally and daily, but not you. You will have other berserk buttons / triggers. This is mine, and so I am sensitive to it.
I guess this bothers me, Elijah, because I feel like the evangelical church doesn't recognize how one-sided and potentially dangerous its message is.
I am coming out of a fundy-lite background that is uncomfortable with women teaching high-school level Bible classes that might possibly include 13-year-old men, out of a church that raised its teenage boys to church government, and to churches that were uncomfortable with women teaching Sunday School above the 6th grade. This says, "You are not as important spiritually. You have no authority, and no one cares what you have to say". Very likely the church leaders don't mean that, but that is what is communicated, at least to women like me.
Sure, men are important too and women should take care not to mock them (which happens too often in our culture). But that's not generally the message that needs to get out to church people. The message that needs to get out is that it's time to stop tuning out what women have to say and it's time to start listening. A while back, when Piper made that infamous comment about Christianity being a masculine religion, someone brought this point up. Essentially they said, "Yeah, Piper's right. Men do carry the image of God. But a bunch of male church leaders probably don't need to be reminded of that. They already believe that. They need to be reminded to value the women in their congregation".
It's all about audience. I would agree that women should value the good men they have in their lives, neither wholly depending them like a mini-god, nor shedding them like a snake sheds its skin. But in our churches and in our culture, by and large, the message of valuing men has gotten through.
So, I get anxious when anyone starts reminding me how important men are. Yes, they are important. I don't deny it. I agree! But I wish more people would remind the church, which desperately needs to hear it, that women are important too.
I don't ask you to agree with my story. I never will ask you, or anyone else, to agree. I do ask you to appreciate where I am coming from. And I am not going to budge.
P.S. I don't see all of this in Mary Kassian's article. I think perhaps some of the basic assumptions are there (that women defer to men, for instance, or that complementarianism is the biblical interpretation). Most of what I've outlined in this response, however, is why articles that are even mildly anti-feminist bother me, not why Kassian's article in particular bothers me.
P.P.S. I do apologize for the lengthy reply. Years of writing academic papers teaches me to be extraordinarily detailed and wordy, which is not necessarily suited to online discussion.
RE: Fundybook - Elijah Craig - 04-04-2012 11:02 PM
(04-04-2012 10:20 PM)Lady Julian Wrote:(04-04-2012 09:28 PM)Elijah Craig Wrote: I had a bad feeling when I saw it was Girls Gone Wise but as far as Mary Kassian's articles go, this one was fairly harmless. I don't think she was saying anything like you seem to think she did.
You and I just aren't going to see eye-to-eye on this issue, are we? Last time I posted something about the church's treatment of femininity, you disagreed with that too. *sigh
Perhaps this difference is simply because you are a man, and I am a woman. I wouldn't expect your "berserk button" or "trigger" to be the treatment of women; this affects me personally and daily, but not you.
I honestly don't remember arguing with you. There are a lot of people on here who read into statements a lot, I can't keep them all straight.
But I will say this man v. woman crap gets old. Mary Kassian said the genders need each other, and that teaching girls they don't need no man can be harmful. Most of the feminists I actually get along with and am friends with would agree.
The fact that you, or I, or anyone has been through shit in their life, doesn't give us a license to turn around and attack people for things us didn't say. I could care less whether you budge or not, I just felt like saying for whatever reason, that Ms. Kassian was being unfairly judged on this particular issue and took up for her. I do that even for people I don't agree with.
RE: Fundybook - Lady Julian - 04-05-2012 12:41 AM
(04-04-2012 11:02 PM)Elijah Craig Wrote:(04-04-2012 10:20 PM)Lady Julian Wrote: You and I just aren't going to see eye-to-eye on this issue, are we? Last time I posted something about the church's treatment of femininity, you disagreed with that too. *sigh
Perhaps this difference is simply because you are a man, and I am a woman. I wouldn't expect your "berserk button" or "trigger" to be the treatment of women; this affects me personally and daily, but not you.
I honestly don't remember arguing with you. There are a lot of people on here who read into statements a lot, I can't keep them all straight.
But I will say this man v. woman crap gets old. Mary Kassian said the genders need each other, and that teaching girls they don't need no man can be harmful. Most of the feminists I actually get along with and am friends with would agree.
The fact that you, or I, or anyone has been through shit in their life, doesn't give us a license to turn around and attack people for things us didn't say. I could care less whether you budge or not, I just felt like saying for whatever reason, that Ms. Kassian was being unfairly judged on this particular issue and took up for her. I do that even for people I don't agree with.
I don't really know what to say to this.
So because I don't want to hijack the Fundybook thread, I guess I'll just conclude that you and I read her article very differently.
RE: Fundybook - Elijah Craig - 04-05-2012 05:40 PM
Quote:multiple partners create multiple soul ties which makes it hard for a true couple to bond and become "one flesh"....soul ties have to be broken, In Jesus' Name....
Uh, I thought becoming one flesh was what happens when the penis enters the vajajay and makes a baby from both partners.
But I'm not spiritually discerning.
RE: Fundybook - supernova8610 - 04-05-2012 07:12 PM
(04-04-2012 09:05 AM)tiarali Wrote: Which verse shows that the new testament church met on Wednesday nights?
The same one that mentions it takes three to thrive.
"And may thou be-ist in thine site not one, not two, but three times each week; for if thou is not, thou shalt come under eternal scorn of the One (twoest times on the first day, one time on the eve of the fourth day). For, as the One says, it takes three to thrive. Thus it is written so that thou mayest obey the One, for if thou fails to Obey, thou shalt be tossed out into the heathen world and shall no more takest fellowship in the IFB."
~1 Fundies 2:3-4
RE: Fundybook - Just Curious - 04-06-2012 01:53 PM
Easter, that special time of the year when fundies emotionally/spiritually flagellate themselves and everyone else in their newsfeed.
Why do so many of them act like the crucifixion is the END of the story? Gaaarrrgghh.
RE: Fundybook - Scorpio - 04-06-2012 02:39 PM
WTFriday! That is insane.
I always enjoy the fundy rants about how Jesus was really crucified on Wednesday and not Friday. Like it matters.