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RE: The WILDS camp - pastor's wife - 01-16-2011 04:23 PM
@HazelEyed, I have felt that horrible feeling inside when you so desperately WANT to please God but you're sickeningly afraid that you've forgotten to confess something somewhere. Your description of yourself hunched in your seat makes me feel gut-sick - for you, myself, and all those other young people who really want to live for Jesus and are feeling hopelessly guilty because we know we're just not good enough.
How could the wonderful message of Christ ever get twisted this way? In Phil. 3, Paul says that he had such good credentials in the eyes of the world - a Jew, a Pharisee, a zealous persecutor of "heretics" - but he threw it all aside just to know Christ!!! I don't have to have a perfect pedigree; I don't have to keep a long, never-ending list of rules to please God. Jesus pleased God - His obedience has won my forgiveness! My life is hid in Christ! I am accepted, forgiven, beloved! There is true joy there. So why was the main message we seemed to get as young people not joy but shame and guilt and fear?
RE: The WILDS camp - Just Curious - 01-16-2011 09:53 PM
(01-15-2011 09:10 PM)HazelEyed Wrote: It was HORRIBLE. Every year I'd be hunched over in my seat, rocking back and forth, desperately praying that God would forgive and absolve me of all the sins I couldn't think of at the moment and how I'd never do anything bad again if I could help it as our row got ready to get up and throw in a stick and as the preacher murmured into the microphone about "Don't lie to God, He knows if you have sin, don't go throw in a stick if you haven't confessed everything." Everyone was always singing too, and my emotions were really worked up, usually I was crying. I wanted to be good enough. I wanted to be a perfect Christian like everyone else around me seemed to be. I knew there was no way I was "completely surrendered" and I knew I was lying by throwing that stick in, but I didn't know what else to do but go forward. Everyone was watching. It was the most horrible moment of the whole week every year.
Big, BIG hugs to you. I know exactly what you mean. 
RE: The WILDS camp - FormerFundy - 01-17-2011 03:13 PM
(01-16-2011 02:10 PM)Tony Mel Wrote:(01-15-2011 09:10 PM)HazelEyed Wrote: It was HORRIBLE. Every year I'd be hunched over in my seat, rocking back and forth, desperately praying that God would forgive and absolve me of all the sins I couldn't think of at the moment and how I'd never do anything bad again if I could help it as our row got ready to get up and throw in a stick and as the preacher murmured into the microphone about "Don't lie to God, He knows if you have sin, don't go throw in a stick if you haven't confessed everything." Everyone was always singing too, and my emotions were really worked up, usually I was crying. I wanted to be good enough. I wanted to be a perfect Christian like everyone else around me seemed to be. I knew there was no way I was "completely surrendered" and I knew I was lying by throwing that stick in, but I didn't know what else to do but go forward. Everyone was watching. It was the most horrible moment of the whole week every year.
This is definitely not of the Lord.
I agree. These "bonfire guilt trips" are an affront to the work of Christ on the Cross of Calvary. He completed the work there...IT IS FINISHED! No amount of sticks thrown into a fire will change that...
RE: The WILDS camp - HazelEyed - 01-18-2011 10:48 PM
(01-16-2011 09:53 PM)Just Curious Wrote:(01-15-2011 09:10 PM)HazelEyed Wrote: It was HORRIBLE. Every year I'd be hunched over in my seat, rocking back and forth, desperately praying that God would forgive and absolve me of all the sins I couldn't think of at the moment and how I'd never do anything bad again if I could help it as our row got ready to get up and throw in a stick and as the preacher murmured into the microphone about "Don't lie to God, He knows if you have sin, don't go throw in a stick if you haven't confessed everything." Everyone was always singing too, and my emotions were really worked up, usually I was crying. I wanted to be good enough. I wanted to be a perfect Christian like everyone else around me seemed to be. I knew there was no way I was "completely surrendered" and I knew I was lying by throwing that stick in, but I didn't know what else to do but go forward. Everyone was watching. It was the most horrible moment of the whole week every year.
:-D Thanks. I've completely left fundamentalism at this point in my life, and I've never felt so free or so happy. I did it so my kids wouldn't ever go through that like I did.
RE: The WILDS camp - hac84 - 01-19-2011 09:45 AM
At a different camp, they had 2-3 hour VERY high pressure invitations. I remember one night when teens were encouraged to pray for the rebel in their youth group. This one boy was completly surrounded by weeping, snot slinging teen girls praying and wailing that God would break his heart. After about 15 minutes, he cracked and got right with God.
RE: The WILDS camp - Jordan M. Poss - 01-19-2011 11:10 AM
(01-19-2011 09:45 AM)hac84 Wrote: At a different camp, they had 2-3 hour VERY high pressure invitations. I remember one night when teens were encouraged to pray for the rebel in their youth group. This one boy was completly surrounded by weeping, snot slinging teen girls praying and wailing that God would break his heart. After about 15 minutes, he cracked and got right with God.
That's... sick.
RE: The WILDS camp - Tony Mel - 01-19-2011 01:11 PM
(01-19-2011 11:10 AM)Jordan M. Poss Wrote:(01-19-2011 09:45 AM)hac84 Wrote: At a different camp, they had 2-3 hour VERY high pressure invitations. I remember one night when teens were encouraged to pray for the rebel in their youth group. This one boy was completly surrounded by weeping, snot slinging teen girls praying and wailing that God would break his heart. After about 15 minutes, he cracked and got right with God.
That's... sick.
He probably hates Fundyism now.
RE: The WILDS camp - mounty - 01-19-2011 01:33 PM
(01-19-2011 09:45 AM)hac84 Wrote: At a different camp, they had 2-3 hour VERY high pressure invitations. I remember one night when teens were encouraged to pray for the rebel in their youth group. This one boy was completly surrounded by weeping, snot slinging teen girls praying and wailing that God would break his heart. After about 15 minutes, he cracked and got right with God.
Either that, or...
(01-19-2011 09:45 AM)hac84, modified by mounty Wrote: ...After about 15 minutes, he cracked and said whatever it would take to get everyone off his back.
Either one is tragic.
RE: The WILDS camp - captain_solo - 01-19-2011 02:25 PM
(01-19-2011 01:33 PM)mounty Wrote:(01-19-2011 09:45 AM)hac84 Wrote: At a different camp, they had 2-3 hour VERY high pressure invitations. I remember one night when teens were encouraged to pray for the rebel in their youth group. This one boy was completly surrounded by weeping, snot slinging teen girls praying and wailing that God would break his heart. After about 15 minutes, he cracked and got right with God.
Either that, or...
(01-19-2011 09:45 AM)hac84, modified by mounty Wrote: ...After about 15 minutes, he cracked and said whatever it would take to get everyone off his back.
Either one is tragic.
Or Possibly...
(01-19-2011 09:45 AM)hac84, modified by mounty, modified by captain_solo Wrote: ...After about 15 minutes, he cracked and said whatever it would take in order to have a shot with one of the hot snot slinging girls.
RE: The WILDS camp - Clint - 01-22-2011 04:20 PM
Anyone on here meet up with their WILDS counselors at some point later in life? One of mine ended up being a MAJOR burr in my saddle during my time at BJU. Mr. Banitez. Shudder.