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RE: The WILDS camp - Ex-IFBer - 03-02-2011 01:15 PM
I don't remember who the speaker was who didn't believe the girl. Yeah, it's a hot button for a lot of people. I was never abused, but now that I'm older, I can look back and remember things that were "off". I wish I were wiser or less naive back then, maybe I could have blown a few whistles.
I had a friend who remembered her dad molesting her (she had previously suppressed it). She confronted her dad and he admitted it!! Then she went to our pastor for help and he told her it was in the past and to get over it and stop being so...(you all know what's coming next right??)...BITTER.
RE: The WILDS camp - captain_solo - 03-02-2011 01:39 PM
(03-02-2011 10:54 AM)fundyvangelicalcatholic Wrote: Speaking of random memory.......
I remember Tom Farrell speaking about a kid at the Wilds that was demon possessed. It took several men to bring him to Farrell and hold him down. Farrell said he didn't know what to do other than just quote scripture. He said that the Word of God cast out the demon.
Demon possessed? Maybe I have watched The Exorcist one too many times, but this sounds kind of freaky. Not just the demon possessed part, but the way it was "handled" by the Wilds. This wouldnt be a case of evangelist embelishment would it?
Farrell has been known to "embellish" - of course this is ok when its for the cause of Christ. Lying while preaching is kinda like Anne Frank telling the Nazis she doesn't have any Jews in the attic
RE: The WILDS camp - Jenni - 03-03-2011 09:27 AM
(03-02-2011 01:15 PM)Ex-IFBer Wrote: I had a friend who remembered her dad molesting her (she had previously suppressed it). She confronted her dad and he admitted it!! Then she went to our pastor for help and he told her it was in the past and to get over it and stop being so...(you all know what's coming next right??)...BITTER.
Lovely. Just lovely. The "counselor" I talked to at my church told me that I was having flashbacks because I wanted to think about the abuse and that it was sin when I had a flashback. She suggested carrying Bible verses on index cards and saying them out loud whenever the flashbacks happened.
Fortunately, I was already considering leaving Fundyism at that time, so this advice sounded just as ridiculous then as it does now.
RE: The WILDS camp - Ex-IFBer - 03-03-2011 09:31 AM
Good for you for getting out!! I've come to realize that it is "easier" (can't think of a better word) to leave when something tragic happens. Some of my family members are still there because nothing "bad" has happened to them...so they can't SEE it for what it really is :-(
RE: The WILDS camp - captain_solo - 03-03-2011 09:36 AM
(03-03-2011 09:27 AM)Jenni Wrote:(03-02-2011 01:15 PM)Ex-IFBer Wrote: I had a friend who remembered her dad molesting her (she had previously suppressed it). She confronted her dad and he admitted it!! Then she went to our pastor for help and he told her it was in the past and to get over it and stop being so...(you all know what's coming next right??)...BITTER.
Lovely. Just lovely. The "counselor" I talked to at my church told me that I was having flashbacks because I wanted to think about the abuse and that it was sin when I had a flashback. She suggested carrying Bible verses on index cards and saying them out loud whenever the flashbacks happened.
Fortunately, I was already considering leaving Fundyism at that time, so this advice sounded just as ridiculous then as it does now.
Yep, I knew a young man who was abused, and was told that his nightmares and flashbacks about it were temptation - "evidence" that he was struggling with a sinful thought life and needed to repent of it those thoughts and his "homosexual" tendencies. (Yeah, because remembering a man touching you with horror is the same thing as wishing it was still happening?!) It angered me to no end because he was actually dealing with his past and really growing, and the counselor's guilt trip about "sin" that resulted from the process of healing was a huge setback.
RE: The WILDS camp - Jenni - 03-03-2011 09:37 AM
Yeah, I have quite a few friends who are still trapped in IFBism, but I try to remind myself that this wonderful newfound freedom I have can also mean that those people have the freedom to be Fundies if they want to. I'd love to show them how amazing life is outside the list of Pharisaical rules, but I'm choosing to be patient.
My suddenly-no-longer-repressed memories definitely played a big part in my choice to leave, as did a couple of very odd meetings I had with the administration. It was time, and even though my degrees from BJU are practically worthless and even though I am now an assistant manager of a random store instead of a teacher, I'm still glad I left.
RE: The WILDS camp - Jenni - 03-03-2011 09:42 AM
(03-03-2011 09:36 AM)captain_solo Wrote: Yep, I knew a young man who was abused, and was told that his nightmares and flashbacks about it were temptation - "evidence" that he was struggling with a sinful thought life and needed to repent of it those thoughts and his "homosexual" tendencies. (Yeah, because remembering a man touching you with horror is the same thing as wishing it was still happening?!) It angered me to no end because he was actually dealing with his past and really growing, and the counselor's guilt trip about "sin" that resulted from the process of healing was a huge setback.
I had people tell me that when I had a nightmare I needed to wake myself up from it and repent for sinning in my sleep. Seriously. I quit listening to the IFBers at that point - both the "counselors" and the pastors - and got some books about healing from abuse. I was so glad when I finally left and was able to go to a therapist. Of course, my IFB friends all told me that going to a therapist was wrong, too, since my therapist isn't a nouthetic Biblical counselor. I don't think they understand how happy I am that she isn't an IFB, Jay Adams, Mazak, "you're always sinning and I'm always right let me beat you with a Bible" counselor.
RE: The WILDS camp - JordanMaria - 03-03-2011 10:12 AM
(03-03-2011 09:42 AM)Jenni Wrote:(03-03-2011 09:36 AM)captain_solo Wrote: Yep, I knew a young man who was abused, and was told that his nightmares and flashbacks about it were temptation - "evidence" that he was struggling with a sinful thought life and needed to repent of it those thoughts and his "homosexual" tendencies. (Yeah, because remembering a man touching you with horror is the same thing as wishing it was still happening?!) It angered me to no end because he was actually dealing with his past and really growing, and the counselor's guilt trip about "sin" that resulted from the process of healing was a huge setback.
I had people tell me that when I had a nightmare I needed to wake myself up from it and repent for sinning in my sleep. Seriously. I quit listening to the IFBers at that point - both the "counselors" and the pastors - and got some books about healing from abuse. I was so glad when I finally left and was able to go to a therapist. Of course, my IFB friends all told me that going to a therapist was wrong, too, since my therapist isn't a nouthetic Biblical counselor. I don't think they understand how happy I am that she isn't an IFB, Jay Adams, Mazak, "you're always sinning and I'm always right let me beat you with a Bible" counselor.
Wow, you can sin just by dreaming? I've never heard that one in my expericences. I was told however, that you are what you dream, and if you dream of something sinful, deep down inside you really want to do it and therefore you needed to search your heart, question your salvation, and get right with God.
Not a very nice thing to tell a child.
RE: The WILDS camp - Tony Mel - 03-03-2011 11:06 AM
Dreaming is the opening of the subconscious stream that you have unconsciously repressed during the day. It reveals, in picture form, what is already inside of you. I find it hard to believe that you can actively sin against the Lord when you're unconscious.
RE: The WILDS camp - elfdream - 03-03-2011 11:13 AM
Do these people have hearts of stone? Whatever happened to good old fashioned COMPASSION. If someone comes to you hurting why automatically assume its their fault or the result of sin.
By that logic soldiers suffering from PTSD really want to be back in battle dodging bullets watching their friends and innocent civilians die.
