77 thoughts on “Mixed Messages”

  1. The girl is holding a pretty simple sign so could they not have managed to avoid committing a grammar error on it??? (That IS a comma after the word “sin”, not a period, right?)

    1. Proofreading is especially important when there are only eight words on your sign. You could use either a period or a semicolon after the word “Sin,” but a comma just doesn’t work there. It’s the error we copy editors call a “comma splice.”

    1. Okay, so here’s my actual response: do Fundamentalists actually think that signs like this are effective? I mean, honestly, in our day and age? When did someone see that and all of a sudden change their life? It’s as impersonal as door-to-door evangelism and street preachers. Oh, and the lady holding the sign looks really into it. :neutral:

      1. The signs are not meant to be “effective” in the sense of convincing anyone else. The importance is the protest itself proving that the protestor is of the elect.

        1. Thank you for the clarification, Christopher! I guess that’s why I’m a ‘Non-Fundy Pastor.’ :wink:

        2. I thought IFBs didn’t believe in election or predestination. I know the church I grew up in didn’t. So I was greatly puzzled when I found those exact words in Scripture, until they explained that in the Bible, those words meant something else.

  2. This was obviously not a picture taken today.
    This heat wave is hot.

    Spring has sprung.
    Fall has fell.
    It is the middle of July and
    Hotter than usual.

    1. @Ricardo. The corduroy explanation may have to come from a more recent Bob Jones girl grad than me. My younger sister made mention of a class with Pat Berg reading a letter from a male student who apparently lusted after girls in corduroy! Nope not kidding. :eek:

      Anybody out there who can help us understand corduroy sin?

      1. This really calls for Shoes’ numerology skills, but here’s my (non-numbered) attempt:

        Wikipedia* says: “Corduroy is made by weaving extra sets of fiber into the base fabric to form vertical ridges called wales.”

        “Wale” (one of the ridges in corduroy) is a homophone of “Whale,” the animal God sent to swallow Jonah when Jonah was disobedient. Clearly, therefore, a person encased in wales is a disobedient sinner. Besides, the word “homophone” just sounds nasty.

        Furthermore, we find that the name of the country, Wales, comes from the Anglo-Saxon “Wealas,” meaning “land of non-Germanic-speaking foreigners.”** The Old Testament contains many, many cautions against adopting alien customs, clothing, etc. We also know that the only sacred, true edition of the Bible is the King James 1611 version, written in Early Modern English, which is a Germanic language. So, anyone who wears a skirt with wales sins by departing from the Old Paths and cleaving to alien, unholy things.

        We also find a commandment in Leviticus 19:28: “Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.”
        Corduroy skirts or pants are an obvious violation of the second half of this commandment, since if you sit down while wearing them, you will rise up having printed marks (lines) upon your flesh (unfortunately, modesty standards preclude a public demonstration of this phenomenon).

        So, I’m sure you can see, dear sisters***, that the wearing of corduroy skirts is sure to lead you to perdition, as well as being well and truly the appearance of evil, and thus sure to destroy your testimony.

        * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corduroy
        ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales
        ***(Brothers who would wear corduroy skirts are probably beyond the reach of the foregoing exhortations.)

        1. I thought it was simpler; corduroy means “cloth of the king” and no woman should be wearing that which pertains to a man!

        2. “Etymology: While the word “corduroy” looks as though it should have a French origin, as if derived from ‘corde du roi’ (‘cloth/cord of the king’), in fact there is no such phrase in French (in French, corduroy is called velours côtelé). The word, like the cloth, is of English origin, probably from cord plus the obsolete duroy, a coarse woollen fabric.”

          The American Heritage Dictionary and the Oxford English Dictionary seem to agree on this point.

          Of course, my whole argument above is based on completely specious connections between words, so who am I to argue with you? :mrgreen:

        3. Yes, I looked it up and saw that it doesn’t mean “cloth of the king” — but, in keeping with the spirit of this site, why should I let facts get in the way of a great illustration / moral point / “standard”???

        4. “Have you ever considered a career in writing Holy Writ?”

          I didn’t realize there was an opening. :cool:

  3. Well, why not?
    I’m sure you can find something in the Bible that could be interpreted as being against corduroy skirts.

    Can someone with a higher-resolution monitor tell me if the “Homosexuality …” sign-holder is, in fact, wearing a corduroy skirt?

  4. I’m pretty sure the guy with the ‘Corduroy’ sign didn’t like her sign and so he made one to mock her. I think that’s why he’s smiling for the picture that he knows is being taken. Could be wrong, but I definitely know that those two aren’t driving home on the same bus.

      1. Personally, I think the woman is being a douche with her sign, what business is hers or anyone else’s what two people who love each other do?

  5. @Gary – I was responding to the questions before my post about corduroy skirts that were accompanied by stories about Pat Berg teaching against them. It was axiomatic to me at first glance as well. Just trying to help out the others. :wink:

    1. Oooh, Brother Jed. Yep, anytime he showed up on our campus, someone was there with a sign or a costume or some louder preaching. Pretty sure one time a guy showed up in a Nixon mask with a sign that said, “This man is a liar.”

  6. This is HILARIOUS. more people need to do stuff like this. In fact, I’m inspired right now.

    Also, I agree with the guy. Corduroy skirts are blatantly anti-biblical

    1. wow, after reading that all I can think is the poor woman. Her crazy church is putting her through hell. Don’t curse at these sign bearing fundies, pity them. ugh.

  7. I would like to point out the slightly bemused expression the fundy lady has. I’d like to think she realizes the ridiculousness of her situation and is reluctantly entertained by the whole thing. =)

    (And secretly agrees with the guys sign perhaps?)

  8. My first take is that the guy is probably gay and is making fun of the girl by mocking her fashion sense. I’ve never heard an objection to corduroy; although we used to joked that it nearly caused many friction fires in the girls dorms.

  9. It’s a bit plausible that under the “Shun the appearance of evil” morality umbrella, Corduroy pants, and jackets [sic], could be considered worldly, on account of it being hip in some circles. Think 1950s hipster, contemporary hipster, folk musicians going to college, tweed jacks, beards, etc..

    The town troubadour on The Gilmore Girls comes to mind, in pop culture.

  10. Somebody needs to stand by this guy with a sign stating that faded and worn jeans are a sin. And that goofy smirk of his is really annoying. :lol:

  11. This is too funny. I told my kids today that if we ever see obnoxious street preachers we need to make sure we have blank signs and markers so we can make signs to mock them.
    If you want to share the gospel, that’s one thing. If we want to spew hate and claim it as Christianity then I have a HUGE issue with that.

  12. The pastor at the church I go to has a great saying (summary) “If your more worried about (___insert stupid crap about church music, dress (of anyone else but yourself, etc here______), then you are not involved in sinners lives enough. In the real world, music and dress are not issues, REAL issues are abuse, poverty, hunger, divorce, , drugs, alcohol, sex addiction and etc.”
    I heard this, and loved it! It reminded me of how when I become worried about this song at church or how so and so’s dressing I have shifted my focus of Gods calling for my life which is sharing the Gospel! This girl needs to move her focus back from peoples sin and care about the sinner! Don’t get some goofy/idiotic billboard, get some gay friends and share the love of Christ with them woman!! (and every fundy perusing the site just had a heartattack at what I said. End rant haha :grin:)

    SFL: Focusing on peoples sin rather than the person

  13. Anybody have a link to the time Westboro Baptist tried to get their martyrdom fix by picketing a fan convention? I can’t remember whether it was a sci fi or an anime con, but in any case the counterprotest was AWESOME. And peaceful. And extremely funny.

    On topic: The Salvation Army shows up at community events to pass out free donuts and coffee. There’s literature on the table and you can pick it up or not as you choose. They say that everybody should be able to enjoy community festivals even if they can’t afford a snack or a hot drink (it’s usually raining) at one of the other booths. The sign says something like, “Free Donuts and Coffee For Our Neighbors, God Loves Us All.”

    I think I heard on this site about the nice little old lady who passed out granola bars at bus stops with encouraging Bible verses on them.

    That’s how you do it, if you simply must tell random strangers that you are Christian.

  14. I spent a lot of Saturdays with a friend at a table at the local flea market handing out free cookies with a tract. After awhile, people would go out of their way to avoid us. We got into some few interesting conversations, and encouraged some people.

    After awhile, I just couldn’t do it anymore. The other woman continued it until they started renovating the site.

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