(The original post in case you missed it)
Posted by Darrell
How the heck did rock music come from Africa???
And I basically loved this. Hilarious for one. But it’s quite pathetic how they claim they aren’t being “racist” by saying any of it, yet they still are being so.
And then being the dork I am, I enjoy watching the video just because it’s using DAW softwareâ€¦Ah yes…
This makes me think back to “Dr.” Frank Garlock, both my fundie church’s Sunday night series where they played his stuff, and your post on the same. It’s funny how – unlike jazz, rock, and metal – this junk actually does make me depressed. I think I’ll blast my worries away by cranking up some Megadeth.
So, we Americans aren’t inherently evil, we’ve just been corrupted by those pagan Africans? How absurd, arrogant, and racist! And most of the stuff he’s referring to probably isn’t evil anyways–it’s just not “stuff fundies like”.
This is just about exactly what the sermon deserved.
Gosh what an idiot. This yahoo needs to sit down and listen to some of the old and middle English ballads sung: bawdy, violent, and some have a strong beat. And ultimately, he’s just posing as being concerned for blacks (and he seems totally ignorant of the black Christianity in America, which has a history of service and kindness and care), when really he is just using his fake concern as a cover for keeping the blacks in Chicago in remote locations so they don’t come to the main congregation.
Schaap at his “I’m not a racist” best. How can music be polytheistic? Sloppy dress is due to African philosophy? What philosophers is he reading?
Is African paganism and African idolitry some how more evil than American paganism and American Idolitry?
What a maroon! What an imbecile! What a pustulous boil on the butt of America. (too subtle??) This crackhead might as well have said, “It is up to us white folks to christianize all these darkies before it’s to later for America.”
Jack Scaap meet Pat Roberson… Pat meet Jack… you two have much in common. Grrrrrrr Typical Fundy crap, blame anyone and everyone for our problems but never look to ourselves and see that sin is in us, not something that is imported and has to be fought against (thank you for nothing Bill Sunday). Preachers look to the pulpits if you want to find out what’s wrong with America!
I’ll quit ranting now.
@Don, oh I forgot to mention that–sloppy dress is from Africa? OMG, I’m part African! So why can’t I play basketball?
Hey, If you can’t believe a stereotype, what can you believe?
Let’s see, what else is Africa’s fault?: that scum that forms on the top of pudding, big ol’ cow licks that make your head look squished on one side. Shoe laces that snap two minutes before you’re supposed to leave for work….Hmmm, what else can we blame on the continent of Africa?
You forgot killer bees and nuclear proliferation.
Would it be racist to say that polka music was invented by geeky white people?
this guy’s nothing but a hound dog.
nothing makes me shudder like when fundies start talking about music.
although- i have fundy “dangers of rock music” videos to thank for turning me on to some great bands.
this guyâ€™s nothing but a hound dog.
Ah, Elvis Presely — a very famous African.
And don’t forget other famous African polytheistic musicians like Roy Orbison, Johnny Cash, and Buddy Holly.
“Anybody who knows music knows that all rock & roll came from Africa.”
o rly? Rock & roll started as a fusion of jazz and blues, combining the lyrics and themes of blues with the instrumentation of jazz, then being “urbanized,” removing the softer elements and replacing them with more drums and brass. It found lodging in the urban south (think Nashville) and West Coast, and probably would have stayed regional if it hadn’t been for the takeoff of technology like widespread radio and 45rpm records.
When you think about it, R&R was at the right place and the right time – in areas where musical innovation was happening and in a time when the technology to popularize folk/regional music to the masses was just coming available. You can’t really heap all the blame on “African music,” though. American in the 30s, 40s, and 50s was a melting pot, with all different nationalities moving into close quarters with each other and lending their own ingredients to culture.
So while there are elements of music from Africa (which are also present in white bread Gospel music, FYI) only the blatant racist would attempt to pin it all on Africa. But it does go to show the very deep vein of racism that permeates American Christianity. Hands up if you’ve heard of a heart blackened with sin. Good. Now find where the Bible refers to a heart full of sin as “black.” Far as I know all the references are to some shade of red. Where’d the black thing come from, then?
Polka music is so evil it came from Africa. The Norwegians got lost and discovered it by accident when they touched on Africa’s witchcraft and sloppy clothing encrusted shores. They got out of there, by yiminy, but the evil polka music clung to their craft like barnacles, and had worked its way into their hearts by the time they got to American shores….And that’s the true story on the history of polka.
Perhaps the ‘heart black with sin’ was derived from
I John 1:5.
Best I can come up with.
Since we’re talking about the evils of certain types of music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KZrb9RSQn8
@BASSENCO (6:22 pm): Along those same lines, whenever I hear someone talk about all the violence in kid’s movies, TV shows, and books today, I tell them to go read some fairy tales. I’m not talking about the Disneyfied versions that bear absolutely no resemblance to their alleged source material. No. I’m talking about the Brothers Grimm. The name “Grimm” takes on a whole other meaning there. Pan’s Labyrinth is another, albeit more modern, example of what fairy tales were originally like.
I’ve always wanted to tell nut cases like this the CLASSIC Run DMC Lyric: “We took the beat form the street and put it on TV”. Seriously this filth makes me question the legitimacy of all private schooling. Obv that’s way over reacting, but DANG! He really said all that BS!
Schaap, like the ethnocentric d-bag he is, has once again confused the concept of “different” with the concept of “evil”.
And I love how fundie preachers love to rant about the evils of rhythm (African or otherwise) like it’s the seedy underbelly of the music world. What exactly constitutes an evil rhythm?
But it does go to show the very deep vein of racism that permeates American Christianity. Hands up if youâ€™ve heard of a heart blackened with sin.
I realize I’m coming to this a bit late, but yeah–blackness has an ancient, pre-modern-racism association with evil. Pick up any volume of medieval poetry–or many ancient myths, for that matter–and the white=purity and black=evil allegorical dichotomy is already there.
All of this, however, does point out how far the pendulum can swing from complete insensitivity to second-guessing oversensitivity. J.R.R. Tolkien used the medieval association of blackness/darkness with evil to characterize Mordor, orcs, and what have you and has been branded some kind of closet racist because of it.
When you think about it, R&R was at the right place and the right time â€“ in areas where musical innovation was happening and in a time when the technology to popularize folk/regional music to the masses was just coming available.
Good summary. I have a friend who might as well have a degree in rock history and these are precisely the things he’s been saying about it. Rock and roll couldn’t have happened without “African music” (which is a sweeping generality), but African music was only a small part of creating rock and roll.
Poor Africa. Evidently they are responsible for everything wrong in the world. I think this borders on racist.
borders on? I think it blew through that border like a Nazi with Poland on his mind.
What a pompous racist, I love how fundies blame all other cultures (especially African) for the corruption in America… get a mirror hypocrite (James 1:23-24).
Rock music has it roots in blues, jazz, and country western. It’s just another genre of music. I don’t necessarily agree with the lyrical content of some rock music but when I last checked the “labels” it never stated it was “christian” to begin with. I think it’s so hypocritical to blast rock music but at the same time not to acknowledge “christian” entertainers discrepancies (Kirk Talley – sending another man nude photos of himself and admitting he’s attracted to other men). Multiple marriages/divorces (Amy Grant) among the “brethren” entertainers. I think the church needs to clean its own house first before it looks out the windows at others.
@ Darrell -”borders on? I think it blew through that border like a Nazi with Poland on his mind.”
My new favorite Quotable Quote for 2010…
The banjo is an African instrument. Poor southern whites adapted it to their own purposes. Southern Gospel and bluegrass are a fusion of African and Anglo-Celtic music. Does Schaap know that?
Look at all these Negrosâ€¦ I mean Africansâ€¦ people raising Haiti to African music:
Sounds to me like His Royal Racist is ready to start another actual Crusade, some 600 years later… (complete w/ “1-2-3 Repeat After Me” conversions and condemnations to hell)
I really cannot wait to see Schaap’s face/ all the other saved fundy pastors when we all get to heaven. (5 points if you caught the hymn reference). They will be quite bewildered, I’m sure.
Evidently I understated considerably! It is wildly racist, ignorant and typical of head in the sand fundamentalism.
@Jineane: do I get bonus points if I not only caught the reference, but had the song start running through my head?
What’s the name of that rap song? Quite catchy lols.
Uh … What’s wrong with Africa?
This guy doesn’t seem to know that there are more Christians in Africa than in North America or Europe right now.
Because everyone knows Jesus was a white man
If rock music came from Africa, wouldn’t they have rock music in Africa now?
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