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	<title>Comments on: Gospel Gimmicks: Ice Cream Bus Ministry</title>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/04/gospel-gimmicks-ice-cream-bus-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-87180</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giggles</description>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/04/gospel-gimmicks-ice-cream-bus-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-87179</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: donb123</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/04/gospel-gimmicks-ice-cream-bus-ministry/comment-page-2/#comment-61917</link>
		<dc:creator>donb123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can look around and find a lot of churches that look like what the Fathers taught and what the church evolved into in the first several centuries, but no I can&#039;t find what the early NT church looked like.  Go meet in someone&#039;s house and post a guard or go meet in a graveyard or something if you&#039;re looking for a really early NT authentic experience.  You probably need the real probability of being used as a torch or lion food if you want to keep it real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can look around and find a lot of churches that look like what the Fathers taught and what the church evolved into in the first several centuries, but no I can&#8217;t find what the early NT church looked like.  Go meet in someone&#8217;s house and post a guard or go meet in a graveyard or something if you&#8217;re looking for a really early NT authentic experience.  You probably need the real probability of being used as a torch or lion food if you want to keep it real.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/04/gospel-gimmicks-ice-cream-bus-ministry/comment-page-2/#comment-9223</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 03:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heehee its really funny how all the fundies from this church descended on this post... i bet the pastor mentioned it from the pulpit and encouraged people to defend the faith!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heehee its really funny how all the fundies from this church descended on this post&#8230; i bet the pastor mentioned it from the pulpit and encouraged people to defend the faith!!</p>
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		<title>By: reader mo</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/04/gospel-gimmicks-ice-cream-bus-ministry/comment-page-2/#comment-5591</link>
		<dc:creator>reader mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 20:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anybody tried to &quot;save&quot; MY children without MY permission, I&#039;d probably shoot them.

Ok- I wouldn&#039;t really shoot them. But I would take their cell phone.

(seriously, though- they&#039;d get hurt)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anybody tried to &#8220;save&#8221; MY children without MY permission, I&#8217;d probably shoot them.</p>
<p>Ok- I wouldn&#8217;t really shoot them. But I would take their cell phone.</p>
<p>(seriously, though- they&#8217;d get hurt)</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan M. Poss</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/04/gospel-gimmicks-ice-cream-bus-ministry/comment-page-2/#comment-5587</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan M. Poss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 18:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The grace of God and His mercy were paramount in these writings. This whole idea that we have to scare people into heaven so that they have â€œfire insuranceâ€ is actually unbiblical. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Precisely. Doing something purely for form&#039;s sake would have been recognized by the early Church as a hallmark of paganism. 

And thanks for pointing out the ulterior motives behind some of the KJV translators&#039; word choice. Sarah Ruden, a classicist who has translated Virgil and Aristophanes, recently published a very good book called Paul Among the People. She places St. Paul in his proper historical context, one of the issues she tackles being the word ekklesia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The grace of God and His mercy were paramount in these writings. This whole idea that we have to scare people into heaven so that they have â€œfire insuranceâ€ is actually unbiblical. </p></blockquote>
<p>Precisely. Doing something purely for form&#8217;s sake would have been recognized by the early Church as a hallmark of paganism. </p>
<p>And thanks for pointing out the ulterior motives behind some of the KJV translators&#8217; word choice. Sarah Ruden, a classicist who has translated Virgil and Aristophanes, recently published a very good book called Paul Among the People. She places St. Paul in his proper historical context, one of the issues she tackles being the word ekklesia.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/04/gospel-gimmicks-ice-cream-bus-ministry/comment-page-2/#comment-5583</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 15:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Don on this one.  In the early church (Acts through the Pauline epistles), the terrors of hell and the law were not used to witness to unbelievers.  The grace of God and His mercy were paramount in these writings.  This whole idea that we have to scare people into heaven so that they have &quot;fire insurance&quot; is actually unbiblical.  Read through the early church epistles and see how much of the law and the terrors of hell were used to witness to the Gentiles.  The epistles that used the law like Hebrews &amp; James, were written to Jewish believers to explain the Law from a Jewish perspective (read the context of who it is written too).  Why?  Because many were trying to put the church under the law - again.

As far as the word &quot;church&quot;, that&#039;s a mandated word from the KJV translators.  The word originally used was &quot;congregation&quot; as far back as Tyndale.  &quot;Ecclesia&quot; has always referred to an assembly and not a building.  The KJV translators were instructed to keep certain words in that would keep people in bondage to the Church of England&#039;s power.  That&#039;s why the Puritan&#039;s refused to &quot;bow the knee&quot; to the king of England and left for America (carrying Geneva Bibles and not KJV&#039;s as is so often stated from fundy pulpits).

As far &quot;child evangelism&quot;, I&#039;m not opposed to children being saved.  I&#039;m opposed to trickery &amp; deceit just to fatten numbers and look good for all the other pastors &amp; churches.  

As far as the &quot;church&quot; proper, it wasn&#039;t a place where evangelism took place.  It was for the believer to be fed and to minister to one another.  Look up &quot;one another&quot; and see how many times it&#039;s mentioned in the NT.  Yes, unbelievers did come to these assemblies but the focus was on Jesus Christ (the Good News) and His sheep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Don on this one.  In the early church (Acts through the Pauline epistles), the terrors of hell and the law were not used to witness to unbelievers.  The grace of God and His mercy were paramount in these writings.  This whole idea that we have to scare people into heaven so that they have &#8220;fire insurance&#8221; is actually unbiblical.  Read through the early church epistles and see how much of the law and the terrors of hell were used to witness to the Gentiles.  The epistles that used the law like Hebrews &amp; James, were written to Jewish believers to explain the Law from a Jewish perspective (read the context of who it is written too).  Why?  Because many were trying to put the church under the law &#8211; again.</p>
<p>As far as the word &#8220;church&#8221;, that&#8217;s a mandated word from the KJV translators.  The word originally used was &#8220;congregation&#8221; as far back as Tyndale.  &#8220;Ecclesia&#8221; has always referred to an assembly and not a building.  The KJV translators were instructed to keep certain words in that would keep people in bondage to the Church of England&#8217;s power.  That&#8217;s why the Puritan&#8217;s refused to &#8220;bow the knee&#8221; to the king of England and left for America (carrying Geneva Bibles and not KJV&#8217;s as is so often stated from fundy pulpits).</p>
<p>As far &#8220;child evangelism&#8221;, I&#8217;m not opposed to children being saved.  I&#8217;m opposed to trickery &amp; deceit just to fatten numbers and look good for all the other pastors &amp; churches.  </p>
<p>As far as the &#8220;church&#8221; proper, it wasn&#8217;t a place where evangelism took place.  It was for the believer to be fed and to minister to one another.  Look up &#8220;one another&#8221; and see how many times it&#8217;s mentioned in the NT.  Yes, unbelievers did come to these assemblies but the focus was on Jesus Christ (the Good News) and His sheep.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/04/gospel-gimmicks-ice-cream-bus-ministry/comment-page-2/#comment-5542</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 03:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the reality of a biblical hell is a reality, then scaring the â€œbee-jeebersâ€ out of anyone would be a smart way to go.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Also since Jesus used these manipulative tactics to get folks to make decisions.  Or was that Paul who used these manipulative tactics?  Refresh my memory on who it was that used these tactics in the Scripture to get kids and teens to make decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the reality of a biblical hell is a reality, then scaring the â€œbee-jeebersâ€ out of anyone would be a smart way to go.</p></blockquote>
<p>Also since Jesus used these manipulative tactics to get folks to make decisions.  Or was that Paul who used these manipulative tactics?  Refresh my memory on who it was that used these tactics in the Scripture to get kids and teens to make decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan M. Poss</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/04/gospel-gimmicks-ice-cream-bus-ministry/comment-page-2/#comment-5463</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan M. Poss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially since Jesus used scare tactics so often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially since Jesus used scare tactics so often.</p>
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		<title>By: K-Wiley</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/04/gospel-gimmicks-ice-cream-bus-ministry/comment-page-2/#comment-5458</link>
		<dc:creator>K-Wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 04:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the reality of a biblical hell is a reality, then scaring the &quot;bee-jeebers&quot; out of anyone would be a smart way to go.</description>
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