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		<title>By: Shelly</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/01/handbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-8545</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently came across your site &amp; have thoroughly enjoyed reading it.  My husband was browsing through &amp; saw this post &amp; realized that this was my childhood church.

My family first came to CLBC in 1988.  I was 8.  My memories were of happy times &amp; a close church family.  In &#039;91 we were sent to Hawaii by the Army.  A year later we were back.  Then a year after that (&#039;93) we moved to western NC.  We visited every few months because the church was like home to us.  

Then in 2000 my dad found a job opportunity in Fayetteville &amp; jumped on it.  I was going into my junior year at BJU (yes, I&#039;ll admit it &amp; even though I consider myself a former-fundy, I&#039;m still not ashamed to call it my alma mater).  Anyway, by then things weren&#039;t the same anymore.  The pastor (not the current one) was different.  Or maybe he wasn&#039;t but we finally opened our eyes &amp; saw how controlling he was.  &quot;Deference to the pastor in all matters&quot; exactly describes how things were.

My brother had to spend his senior year of high school at the church&#039;s school.  He was the only graduating senior.  During that year he joined the Army reserves.  Fayetteville is a major military city, with Ft. Bragg army base &amp; Pope Air Force Base there.  So of course much of the congregation is connected to the military in one way or another.  Once a month he was required to be on duty.  Well, when one of those weekends fell on one of the school&#039;s special Sundays (the students sing songs &amp; recite verses in front of the congregation), Pastor Smith did not approve.  Apparently the handbook basically says the only way you can miss one of those Sundays is to be on your death bed.  My parents tried to reason with him but he wouldn&#039;t have it.  My brother had to ask the Army to allow him to miss his required weekend. 

One Sunday the pastor even used my family in a sermon illustration.  He didn&#039;t name names but everybody knew who he was talking about.  And my parents, brother, &amp; sister were all right there!

I was away at college thankfully.  Ironically I was the only one he didn&#039;t have a problem with because I was going to his alma mater.  Believe me, he had nothing to do with why I was there!

After my brother graduated my family finally left.  They would have sooner but didn&#039;t want to have my brother switch schools with 3 months left.    They still belong to another fundy church.  Bummer.

The current pastor was assistant pastor for years &amp; finally took over only a couple years ago.  I had hoped he&#039;d be different but from the looks of things all those years just trained him to be just like Pastor Smith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently came across your site &amp; have thoroughly enjoyed reading it.  My husband was browsing through &amp; saw this post &amp; realized that this was my childhood church.</p>
<p>My family first came to CLBC in 1988.  I was 8.  My memories were of happy times &amp; a close church family.  In &#8217;91 we were sent to Hawaii by the Army.  A year later we were back.  Then a year after that (&#8217;93) we moved to western NC.  We visited every few months because the church was like home to us.  </p>
<p>Then in 2000 my dad found a job opportunity in Fayetteville &amp; jumped on it.  I was going into my junior year at BJU (yes, I&#8217;ll admit it &amp; even though I consider myself a former-fundy, I&#8217;m still not ashamed to call it my alma mater).  Anyway, by then things weren&#8217;t the same anymore.  The pastor (not the current one) was different.  Or maybe he wasn&#8217;t but we finally opened our eyes &amp; saw how controlling he was.  &#8220;Deference to the pastor in all matters&#8221; exactly describes how things were.</p>
<p>My brother had to spend his senior year of high school at the church&#8217;s school.  He was the only graduating senior.  During that year he joined the Army reserves.  Fayetteville is a major military city, with Ft. Bragg army base &amp; Pope Air Force Base there.  So of course much of the congregation is connected to the military in one way or another.  Once a month he was required to be on duty.  Well, when one of those weekends fell on one of the school&#8217;s special Sundays (the students sing songs &amp; recite verses in front of the congregation), Pastor Smith did not approve.  Apparently the handbook basically says the only way you can miss one of those Sundays is to be on your death bed.  My parents tried to reason with him but he wouldn&#8217;t have it.  My brother had to ask the Army to allow him to miss his required weekend. </p>
<p>One Sunday the pastor even used my family in a sermon illustration.  He didn&#8217;t name names but everybody knew who he was talking about.  And my parents, brother, &amp; sister were all right there!</p>
<p>I was away at college thankfully.  Ironically I was the only one he didn&#8217;t have a problem with because I was going to his alma mater.  Believe me, he had nothing to do with why I was there!</p>
<p>After my brother graduated my family finally left.  They would have sooner but didn&#8217;t want to have my brother switch schools with 3 months left.    They still belong to another fundy church.  Bummer.</p>
<p>The current pastor was assistant pastor for years &amp; finally took over only a couple years ago.  I had hoped he&#8217;d be different but from the looks of things all those years just trained him to be just like Pastor Smith.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/01/handbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-3454</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Darrell, guess I should have read your article more closely to get my answer. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Darrell, guess I should have read your article more closely to get my answer. <img src='http://www.stufffundieslike.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Melody</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/01/handbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-3447</link>
		<dc:creator>Melody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ Well put, Don! Couldn&#039;t have said it better myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ Well put, Don! Couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/01/handbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-3446</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all fairly well represented in Harry Potter: &quot;The Order of the Phoenix&quot; by Dolores Umbridge and the way she brings IFW (independent fundamental witchcraft) to Hogwarts.  The resemblances are too fine tuned to think anything other than Dolores Umbridge is in fact based on your basic IFB pastor or the Principle of any IFB &quot;Christian&quot; school.  All things being equal I&#039;d rather attend Hogwarts than just about any of the IFB non-accredited pseudo colleges out there today, especially Hyles Anderson. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all fairly well represented in Harry Potter: &#8220;The Order of the Phoenix&#8221; by Dolores Umbridge and the way she brings IFW (independent fundamental witchcraft) to Hogwarts.  The resemblances are too fine tuned to think anything other than Dolores Umbridge is in fact based on your basic IFB pastor or the Principle of any IFB &#8220;Christian&#8221; school.  All things being equal I&#8217;d rather attend Hogwarts than just about any of the IFB non-accredited pseudo colleges out there today, especially Hyles Anderson. <img src='http://www.stufffundieslike.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mark rosedale</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/01/handbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-3436</link>
		<dc:creator>mark rosedale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t it surprise me that BJU was linked in some way. Well such is life. BJU&#039;s rules are almost just as bad it just depended on whom you talked to or to whom you complained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t it surprise me that BJU was linked in some way. Well such is life. BJU&#8217;s rules are almost just as bad it just depended on whom you talked to or to whom you complained.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan M. Poss</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/01/handbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-3422</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan M. Poss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. Matt: Every fundy church I&#039;ve ever been in claim they specialize in exegesis and expository preaching. Which is accurate, insofar as their ideas are actually exegeted from scripture, which is another issue altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. Matt: Every fundy church I&#8217;ve ever been in claim they specialize in exegesis and expository preaching. Which is accurate, insofar as their ideas are actually exegeted from scripture, which is another issue altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/01/handbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-3417</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt:

at the end of the article I explained &quot;The church description I started with was from a listing on the BJU church placement service website as part of an advertisement for an associate pastor position.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt:</p>
<p>at the end of the article I explained &#8220;The church description I started with was from a listing on the BJU church placement service website as part of an advertisement for an associate pastor position.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/01/handbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-3416</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did you find that first statement on their website? Where they describe themselves, &quot;The church believes in...&quot; When I went there I could not find it anywhere! If this is truly what they believe, I feel very sorry for this congregation.

One suprising statement was their committment to expository preaching. Most churches like this do not preach that way. Of course you have to wonder what their definition of &quot;expository&quot; is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you find that first statement on their website? Where they describe themselves, &#8220;The church believes in&#8230;&#8221; When I went there I could not find it anywhere! If this is truly what they believe, I feel very sorry for this congregation.</p>
<p>One suprising statement was their committment to expository preaching. Most churches like this do not preach that way. Of course you have to wonder what their definition of &#8220;expository&#8221; is.</p>
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		<title>By: ernst</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/01/handbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-3403</link>
		<dc:creator>ernst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;deference to the pastor in all matters, serving at the pleasure of the pastor, a church-led government&quot;

Aren&#039;t  &quot;deference to the pastor in all matters&quot;, and &quot;a church-led government&quot; opposites? When you see this kind of double talk, you can be sure the &quot;church-led government&quot; part is a fantasy, and that self serving leadership is in &quot;control&quot; mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;deference to the pastor in all matters, serving at the pleasure of the pastor, a church-led government&#8221;</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t  &#8220;deference to the pastor in all matters&#8221;, and &#8220;a church-led government&#8221; opposites? When you see this kind of double talk, you can be sure the &#8220;church-led government&#8221; part is a fantasy, and that self serving leadership is in &#8220;control&#8221; mode.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2010/01/handbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-3370</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds like a school I taught in lo these many years ago...early 80s.  I can&#039;t begin to list the kids who have graduated to some of the finest penal institutions in the state. No joke, sad to say. A former student, now friend, keeps in touch.  I remember one case in the first of three years there.  The pastor asked the teachers to give him names of kids who could use a bit of encouragement.  I took this at face value.  I should have known better, but I was young and idealistic.  One 6th grade boy had potential, but needed ...well, some encouragement.  He came back form his visit with the pastor with a sore behind.  I never, ever was able to regain that boy&#039;s trust or respect!  It broke my heart.  God help these men!  When I think of the lives and spirits they destroy...!  And I praise God for getting me out of there even if it did take another 2 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like a school I taught in lo these many years ago&#8230;early 80s.  I can&#8217;t begin to list the kids who have graduated to some of the finest penal institutions in the state. No joke, sad to say. A former student, now friend, keeps in touch.  I remember one case in the first of three years there.  The pastor asked the teachers to give him names of kids who could use a bit of encouragement.  I took this at face value.  I should have known better, but I was young and idealistic.  One 6th grade boy had potential, but needed &#8230;well, some encouragement.  He came back form his visit with the pastor with a sore behind.  I never, ever was able to regain that boy&#8217;s trust or respect!  It broke my heart.  God help these men!  When I think of the lives and spirits they destroy&#8230;!  And I praise God for getting me out of there even if it did take another 2 years.</p>
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