Comments on: Just Making Stuff Up: PCC Style

By: Mandy

Mandy — Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:34:18 +0000

Ah, yes. I remember this sermon. I was actually sitting in that “church” when he gave it. I kept looking back at the passage he was talking about in confusion, wondering “where is he getting this? Is he reading the same Bible?”

By: Jenni

Jenni — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 04:53:50 +0000

Thank you, RJW. Exactly what I thought, too. Sounds like we share the same soapbox.

By: Jonsgrl

Jonsgrl — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:13:28 +0000

Oh, and there were times I would be reading along in my KJV while my pastor would preach from his whatever-it-was version and every now and then, what his Bible said and what my Bible said were totally different. What am I supposed to do with that??? I mean, changing the meaning of a verse just by changing or leaving out a few words. That’s SERIOUS. You don’t mess around with God’s Word.
I have an unsaved friend who uses the different Bible versions issue as an excuse not to get saved. It’s her “proof” that it’s all man-made, not God inspired. (No, I don’t think the KJV is inspired.)

By: Jonsgrl

Jonsgrl — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:06:31 +0000

I’m 25, didn’t grow up in a fundy church and then went to PCC. My home church uses some other version (I don’t even know what it was) but I always chose to stick with my KJV. I’ve think it’s the best translation. I related the other versions to the shallow Christianity at my home church so I thought I’d give fundamentalism a try and went to PCC. I graduated after 4.5 years and couldn’t go back into any kind of church for over a year afterwards because of sermons like the one above.
Because I grew up in a CCM, any version goes-type church I can’t go back to that. It IS shallow. I like the old hymns and the KJV, but I’m cool with pants and movie theaters lol. What do I do?

By: Brandon

Brandon — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:11:31 +0000

Mark,

A great translation choice. I remember getting my first one at BJ.

Darrell,

Didn’t you go to PCC? What did you major in?

By: mark rosedale

mark rosedale — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:46:55 +0000

@Amanda Count this 20 something year old as one of the many who abandoned the KJV and went ESV…but actually I didn’t attend a church that was strictly KJV. That is what we used, but we didn’t shove it down your throat. Also now since college every church I’ve attended uses the NIV. I actually like the translation a lot, but have yet to buy one. Still using my trusty ESV!

By: Aaron M.

Aaron M. — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:08:59 +0000

Re: KJVO movement conversation.
The typical KJVO stance seems to have the characteristics of any of the pet sin platforms. The position meets a current need (whether real or perceived), it is simple to hold (rather than actually think about the issue), it involves separation from the perceived wrongdoers, and will change in time because it is impossible to hold indefinitely. The irritating thing to me is that when the changes begin, the ones changing deny their former tirades as if they didn’t happen. They become politicians of the worst sort, and end up sounding stupid (like all politicians). For an example of this, what “fortress of faith” has said “We have not changed in 75 years?” It is laughable.

By: Paul Wilkinson (Thinking Out Loud)

Paul Wilkinson (Thinking Out Loud) — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:49:25 +0000

You could spend hours dissecting the phrase “worship like the world.”

The non-churched, non-believing people I know are passionate about many different kinds of pursuits. They’re the wrong things, but they have abandoned themselves to these objects of worship and allowed them to consume them.

The ‘believing’ church people I know aren’t abandoned, aren’t passionate, aren’t consumed.

Therefore, I think I’d rather “worship like the world.”

By: Amanda

Amanda — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:01:16 +0000

@JimE, I’ve noticed more and more people, mostly 20somethings, who’ve grown up in IFB KJVO churches and graduated from KJVO schools abandoning the KJV for other translations (the ESV seems to be the translation of choice for many, though not all, former KJVOers). This includes both those who’ve left fundamentalism as well as those who’ve remained in it. While I have no hard statistics to back this up, and while certainly not all 20somethings have abandoned the KJV, it’s something I’ve increasingly been noticing across fundamentalism and throughout the US.

By: Brandon

Brandon — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:50:59 +0000

Jim, that is a good point – if they are already going through so many hoops to justify a very fallacious statement or belief (KJV Only), they can go on twisting things to justify anything. The best example in thinking of this is Peter Ruckman, who has some really weird views on everything, it seems like, not just that he is KJVO.
As for PCC, no suprise. Sounds like he had his Scofield KJV with him that day!